GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME

Yes, a 50 average to define "greats" is meaningless. It's a useful guide, but you must factor in a host of other considerations. That's why we praise people like Kanhai, Lloyd or Pietersen, even though they average below 50. And why many Sri Lankans rank guys like Ranatunga or De Silva over Sangakkara.

And no, the Sobers strike rate Rev quoted is not "estimated". It is "incomplete". What's more, it is derived from a tiny number of games in the mid 70s in which he totally failed. Heck, espncricinfo doesn't even know the number of balls Sobers faced. Even Sobers' most thorough biographers dont know his strike rate (they estimate it as low to mid 50s).

And by the way, I am now a Guyanese and I think Shiv is great and I am naming my daughter Shivtagerina, so I am immune to accusations of bias. Yall can't touch me. When my transformation is complete, I will be more Guyanese than Shiv himself (who lives in Florida, unlike me, who now owns half of Berbice because 1 Trini dollar worth 9 million Guyanese). I'm also talking to the forum moderators to help me change my name to MUDDADDY. I plan to also run for Guyanese elections on a platform of extreme nationalism, and aim to start a war with Trinidad over territorial fishing rights.

wrong country : Barbados want them Flying Fish back !

The issue here is the analysis itself as you are comparing different eras with different variables and unless you can smooth the analysis then you are not comparing like with like.


If you look at The individual record for Vivian on cricinfo, there is no Test strike rate so I am not sure  from where this database is extracting its information.

So now you Folks pointing out Strike rates is Irrelevant re : Sobers and  Viv  !

So all these "pathetic" comments re : Shiv SR was just HATE  ?  :-\

                               

Ketchim,


Please do not be so ignorant.


I have not said SR. is unimportant but I find the thread pathetic principally for the different eras and the variables are not factored into the numbers.


You misquote people, you use quotes out of context and between threads and it is laborious.


I rehashed Rev's database to show an era more pertinent to the comparison.


I also pointed out based on Rev's database you would have to conclude Logie, Ridley Jacobs etc were more dominant at home.


And yes Shiv's SR on day 2 of the 1st Bangladesh test was pathetic. That is fact is he arrived at the crease 261-3 with a team strike rate of 3 and it plummeted.


Brathwaite was already on a ton.


You deny it was awful but you regurgitate the same old crap over and over again.


Comparing eras is almost impossible but a more meaningful comparison is below.


stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/i...esults;type=allround


Just to clarify the comprehension. On cricinfo some individual strike rates are not listed for some places, Viv is an example, so the logical question is to wonder where is the database getting its dats for anyone?


Someone presents a set of numbers there are basic characteristics which are required to ensure the data/ information is meaningful, comparable, consistent etc.


Questions are asked.


And yes we are all Shiv Haters.

Listen Up Mail : you are the regurgitator of Shiv SR on this here forum :

you saying it was " awful" and " pathetic" : is an opinion of a neophyte

No one else here agree with you !  Capiche ??


neophyte  noun
1. a beginner or novice:

Capiche
1.Do you understand?

Krtchem , why  are you always cinfrontaional with Mail . He is entitled to his opinion and so do you . Mail has always carried himself like a gentleman here unlike myself and you 

He can be confrontational with anyone if he likes if he has a point but sadly he does not. No logical arguments.

Most of us pointed out Shiv labouring on one day and subsequently it was only in response to you and Rev creating multiple and equally silly repetative threads that prompted further response. Everyone else had dropped the matter buy no not you and Rev who continued the Crusade.

Above you distorted what i said and contrived a meaning which most competent readers in English could not find even if they tried. You do this continually with most as you seem more intent to be confrontational without reason instead of discussing matters.

There has been consensus in the past in the futility of comparing eras but yet in this case you feel it is acceptable. I was questioning the database and in fact I would not wish to compare Sir Garry and Shiv. For the latter's longevity, there is no logical or sensible comparison and you know it.

I expect ignorant rubbish like this from Ramesh but even our friend Ramesh is making mores sense these days.

You have no argument and then you resort to sarcasm and rudeness.

If you wish to respond to any of my posts do so sensibly.

Rip my arguments apart, by all means, with rationale and logic and not condescention

You and Rev are like 'dogs with bones'.

And yes we are Haters of Shiv.

You do not discuss cricket points anymore, you just go on a senseless rant.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
― Harlan Ellison

I disagree  Mail,
One is entitled to his or her own opinions but not their own facts .