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Vaughan feels 'conned' by Trott's Ashes exit

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17 Mar 2014 14:08 #183074 by chairman
London (AFP) - Former England captain Michael Vaughan felt deceived by Jonathan Trott's revelation last weekend that he left England's Ashes tour of Australia suffering from "burn out", he revealed on Monday.

When Trott quit what turned out to be a 5-0 Ashes thrashing by Australia after twice falling cheaply to fast bowler Mitchell Johnson in the first Test in Brisbane, England officials said he was suffering from a "stress-related illness".

However, South Africa-born batsman Trott told Sky he'd been "burnt out" but was not depressed.

That prompted Vaughan, England captain from 2003-2008, to write in his column in Monday's Daily Telegraph: "I feel a little bit conned we were told Jonathan Trott's problems in Australia were a stress-related illness he had suffered for years.

"We were allowed to believe he was struggling with a serious mental health issue and treated him with sensitivity and sympathy.

"He was obviously not in a great place but he was struggling for cricketing reasons and not mental, and there is a massive difference.

"There is a danger we are starting to use stress-related illness and depression too quickly as tags for players under pressure," Vaughan, himself a former top-order batsman, added.

In his interview with Sky, Trott said he feared the public thinking he was a "nutcase", adding that he wasn't "crazy".

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17 Mar 2014 14:09 #183075 by chairman
However, Vaughan wrote Trott had "completely disrespected anybody who has gone through depression and mental illness by using words such as 'nutcase' or 'crazy'.

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17 Mar 2014 14:09 #183076 by chairman
"We have seen other England cricketers suffer from depression," said Vaughan, whose former Test colleague Marcus Trescothick had his international career cut short by a stress-related illness.
"I do not think Trott realises just how important an issue it is.
- 'Burnout an excuse' -
"When I hear players talking about burnout, I suspect it is an excuse. You never see players retiring from sport and talking about burnout when they are playing well."
Trott scored just 19 runs in two innings at Brisbane and struggled against the bowling of Johnson.
"What Trott will have to accept is that players in his own dressing room and in the opposition will look at him and think at the toughest of times he did a runner," said Vaughan.
"He admitted that the previous occasion he suffered burnout was in South Africa in 2009/10, the only other time he has faced top-quality fast bowling.
"He did not fight and got on a plane and went home. It is harsh but that is the reality."
However, Anguis Porter, the chief executive of England's Professional Cricketers' Association, took issue with Vaughan's comments.
"I'm not a psychologist and I don't think Michael would claim to be an expert on mental health issues," Porter told AFP. "All cases are different.
"I think it's dangerous to say that someone suffering from classic clinical depression has a problem but that someone with a condition elsewhere on the spectrum of mental illness doesn't."
While England statements on physical injuries are usually specific, the same clarity has often been lacking in announcements regarding players suffering from mental health issues, with the relatively vague term of "stress-related illness" employed by officials to describe the condition of both Trescothick and Trott.
Porter, asked if more specific language might be helpful in avoiding misunderstandings, said: "I think that's fair but that is a societal issue, not one for cricket.
"I think we should be supportive of people who speak out about these difficult issues. We wish Jonathan well and hope he makes a quick recovery."
Warwickshire batsman Trott told Sky he wanted to regain his England place.

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17 Mar 2014 14:20 - 17 Mar 2014 22:57 #183078 by mapoui
more revelations about englands cheesy nature that came totally apart at the first signs.... :-[ :-[ :-[

seems natural development to me..when you have a control freak, totalitarian Head Coach.

Types always attract their types so to speak.  if you have a totalitarian freak then you attract those who like to be controlled...cheese..while driving away the rocks..Pietersen

good fuh england.  they will again be very easy to beat with all the cheese in their side

and when deh get knock out of the T20 let dem collectively go cuff deh hand on the nearest rock solid, 5 feet thick concrete, stone or steel. 

the choice is theirs
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17 Mar 2014 20:59 #183149 by Mail
What was the issue with smith recently having gone to the airport twice to travel to the big bash and then went home?



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17 Mar 2014 21:08 #183150 by bagaloo
great question and on another board it was mentioned that he was getting "butt"hence the reason for the hesitation.

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17 Mar 2014 22:58 #183152 by mapoui
how is dat question great ::confused::

does it make england less cheesy ::LOL:: ::confused::

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17 Mar 2014 23:06 #183155 by Kyle
Vaughan, please STFU. What a complete twat.
These are the usual things that used to put people with depression down. I myself have depression and have a fair idea, this is the sort of shit people give you. That it's just me being unable to "deal with it".

Have you analyzed his medical records or psychoanalyzed him or something? Otherwise how the hell do you know what it is? Jesus Christ man. This is not something silly, regardless of what the reality of the situation is.

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18 Mar 2014 12:11 #183194 by Mail
Kylester,

Not sure if you have seen the interview with Ian Ward, if not please do and listen to the words used by Trott and then consider Vaughan's words.

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18 Mar 2014 16:19 #183290 by Mail
Mappippee,

I would like to think you are more sensible than making absolutely silly statements when it comes to matters relating to mental health.

Yes we have had players in Treschothick, Yardy and now Trott in high profile 'stress related illnesses'. The fact is they have come forward and hopefully this will help others like young Stokes whose eyes look very vacant indeed, much like the young Powell.

Consider the volume of Cricket England players play and the level of scrutiny they are always under and that in itself puts a degree of stress. Of course different characters are more prone to certain conditions but to belittle such conditions is infantile.

This I find very disappointing and you really do need to free yourself from mental slavery and not feel obliged to chastise everything White and English.

It was what it was, perhaps God has an explanation.

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