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13 Sep 2021 21:13 - 14 Sep 2021 00:08 #393399
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Ok! I can see where I am responsible for insults as I let the situation get away from me.
there were 2 reasons! I consider this stage of human evolution critical! seminal, unavoidably transformative in two directions: popular democracy or elitist tyranny, rising out of what they see as their need to protect themselves from the consequences of the rise of such popular democracy.
I thought and understanding of this equation from their ordinary point of view would be natural by any half intelligent ordinary working class people, given that our very existence is at stake at this point. anything consciously, fully aware that is less would be anti self interest, opposed to the interest of one's own social class and so suicidal
I could not understand that at all from some people here. And given the what I see as the true seriousness of this day I lost it. I lost it everywhere in fact.
It took me a very long time to recapture something like my real self after bad recent experiences disrupted my life. I suffered a lot and the whole world fell on top of me. people raped my name, said all kinds of things about me. my name became mud and I fell into the depths.
ketchim seemed to know a lot about that. Ketchim said one or 2 seemingly positive things about me back in those years on the board that I noted. that is why I came to like him, to appreciate him. Ketchim appeared to be privy to a lot he was hearing about me but was one of the few in all my relations who did not appear to be sitting on top of me!
I was/am angry and vengeful about those years. and that is demonstrated in a whole lot of my relations currently. I have to deal with that lest it get totally out of hand. there are people I want to crush really. not too many people I like anymore. however the global reality is serious and affects us all fundamentally, every last and total individual alive, all! singly and whatever collective they may belong to
my assessment of the stage is quite good, very accurate, and the solution I propose that requires the full participatory involvement of all ordinary people in the creation of a new popularly based way of life is dead spot-on accurate. that is the popular option in the current social critical equation, opposed to the interest of the rich- which is tyrannical!
SO I APOLOGISE WHERE I HAVE BEEN ANYTHING BUT NECESSARILY POLITE, DISCURSIVE AND CONTRIBUTORY TO GOOD RELATIONS ON THE BOARD. IT WONT HAPPEN ANYMORE ON MY PART!
there were 2 reasons! I consider this stage of human evolution critical! seminal, unavoidably transformative in two directions: popular democracy or elitist tyranny, rising out of what they see as their need to protect themselves from the consequences of the rise of such popular democracy.
I thought and understanding of this equation from their ordinary point of view would be natural by any half intelligent ordinary working class people, given that our very existence is at stake at this point. anything consciously, fully aware that is less would be anti self interest, opposed to the interest of one's own social class and so suicidal
I could not understand that at all from some people here. And given the what I see as the true seriousness of this day I lost it. I lost it everywhere in fact.
It took me a very long time to recapture something like my real self after bad recent experiences disrupted my life. I suffered a lot and the whole world fell on top of me. people raped my name, said all kinds of things about me. my name became mud and I fell into the depths.
ketchim seemed to know a lot about that. Ketchim said one or 2 seemingly positive things about me back in those years on the board that I noted. that is why I came to like him, to appreciate him. Ketchim appeared to be privy to a lot he was hearing about me but was one of the few in all my relations who did not appear to be sitting on top of me!
I was/am angry and vengeful about those years. and that is demonstrated in a whole lot of my relations currently. I have to deal with that lest it get totally out of hand. there are people I want to crush really. not too many people I like anymore. however the global reality is serious and affects us all fundamentally, every last and total individual alive, all! singly and whatever collective they may belong to
my assessment of the stage is quite good, very accurate, and the solution I propose that requires the full participatory involvement of all ordinary people in the creation of a new popularly based way of life is dead spot-on accurate. that is the popular option in the current social critical equation, opposed to the interest of the rich- which is tyrannical!
SO I APOLOGISE WHERE I HAVE BEEN ANYTHING BUT NECESSARILY POLITE, DISCURSIVE AND CONTRIBUTORY TO GOOD RELATIONS ON THE BOARD. IT WONT HAPPEN ANYMORE ON MY PART!
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13 Sep 2021 21:25 #393400
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Keep rapping
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14 Sep 2021 11:01 #393429
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If ketchim would let me. He appears determined to drive my threads off the board 
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14 Sep 2021 11:51 #393439
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We have plenty space
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CARICOM yesterday reiterated its “unwavering support” for the territorial integrity of Guyana in the wake of a mediated agreement between the Venezuelan government and opposition restating a claim to this country’s county of Essequibo.
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15 Sep 2021 20:38 #393459
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What do the people of Essequibo want?
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16 Sep 2021 10:12 - 16 Sep 2021 10:14 #393483
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the people of Essequibo have 3 options:
Stay with Guyana
Go with Venezuela
Have their own country
They should hold a referendum. I imagine a lot of people would be vex with this opinion. But it is fact! The people of that province do have the right to those choices...and maybe a few more as well. What if Brazil or Canada or the USA need and want another state and province and invite the Essequibo in at this time?
Interesting!/size]
Stay with Guyana
Go with Venezuela
Have their own country
They should hold a referendum. I imagine a lot of people would be vex with this opinion. But it is fact! The people of that province do have the right to those choices...and maybe a few more as well. What if Brazil or Canada or the USA need and want another state and province and invite the Essequibo in at this time?
Interesting!/size]
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17 Sep 2021 00:01 #393548
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Vb missed all the great stuff
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17 Sep 2021 09:35 #393551
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I like the Independence option next to staying inside Guyana. that is what I like...every location with its own culture/interest with the freedom to to live as it chooses. that is the best future for the world.
the people of Essequibo had no say in the constitution of Guyana, nor the CARICOM agreement yet they find themselves bound by those 2 pieces of paper. I would cast off the second and seek to reorganize the first...[within Guyana
that would mean inside Essequibo we do our own thing, while outside that concerns us all we can make deals to deal with collectively. that is today, currently! in a while when the whole world gets like that, toss big Governments and big Bureaucracies then complete independence in small communities can become a reality, as the reason for war between nations vanishes, viz. exploitative systems that must grow to make more and to build armies of conquest and defense to protect the wealth of the minorities who have taken over societies in the process of building empires
in such a situation Essequibo would live in peace and contentment as a recognized entity in relations with all such others in peace and contact, trade and everything else easy, not even passports necessary. but in such advanced times and societies identification would be easy as pie with computer technology advancing by leaps.[/i]
the people of Essequibo had no say in the constitution of Guyana, nor the CARICOM agreement yet they find themselves bound by those 2 pieces of paper. I would cast off the second and seek to reorganize the first...[within Guyana
that would mean inside Essequibo we do our own thing, while outside that concerns us all we can make deals to deal with collectively. that is today, currently! in a while when the whole world gets like that, toss big Governments and big Bureaucracies then complete independence in small communities can become a reality, as the reason for war between nations vanishes, viz. exploitative systems that must grow to make more and to build armies of conquest and defense to protect the wealth of the minorities who have taken over societies in the process of building empires
in such a situation Essequibo would live in peace and contentment as a recognized entity in relations with all such others in peace and contact, trade and everything else easy, not even passports necessary. but in such advanced times and societies identification would be easy as pie with computer technology advancing by leaps.[/i]
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17 Sep 2021 10:03 #393553
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VB prolly thinks that is crazy...more nuttiness from me. but that's how human culture/society on earth began and was until just a few thousand years ago. and as the empires break up we can see the imperial social organization breaking up and the world falling upwards into comparatively minute operations the people found suitable, simple, and able to exercise collective democratic control over
the large operations...the empires and huge populous nations... become complex with the minority exploitative control power groups that need help to control vast areas, armies etc., and the expenditures that allows such control. they develop taxation and bureaus for all manner of activity that permits the minority to control vast populous areas of the world
and as we know government s administration not industry and agriculture that produces wealth. somebody must work produce wealth which is taxed to pay those guys. then they make more by making vast corruption with those who have money to pass laws that help them to make even more. and of course those who do work that produces wealth are looted by the governments and industry for all these reasons.
but if it breaks up and the people return culture to sizes they can control then the living can become sweet.
that is why there are imploding forces within empires and huge countries as we speak seeking to break them to hell up from the inside out, so the people can be free of the parasites of business and governments
the large operations...the empires and huge populous nations... become complex with the minority exploitative control power groups that need help to control vast areas, armies etc., and the expenditures that allows such control. they develop taxation and bureaus for all manner of activity that permits the minority to control vast populous areas of the world
and as we know government s administration not industry and agriculture that produces wealth. somebody must work produce wealth which is taxed to pay those guys. then they make more by making vast corruption with those who have money to pass laws that help them to make even more. and of course those who do work that produces wealth are looted by the governments and industry for all these reasons.
but if it breaks up and the people return culture to sizes they can control then the living can become sweet.
that is why there are imploding forces within empires and huge countries as we speak seeking to break them to hell up from the inside out, so the people can be free of the parasites of business and governments
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