beautiful chairman..what a precise comment on the issue
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i am tired of the egotistical proclamations by those who want to dictate on how individuals should live but with only one life to live its better when each individual is left on their own to choose that path.
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all eastern religions be it buddaism taoism jainism zenism or hinduism do not go and proslythise or try to convert like islam and christians , usually with a sword or the gun and if you can not comphrend this then I cannot convince you and I am wasting my time
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its as if prosletyzing is the issue. it is not.
whether a religion is an aggressive, expansionary project or not is not at issue. religion period is under scrutiny.
they all have been established by the sword, live by mind control and are exlpoitative, sporting expensive and non-productive priesthoods, who depend on taxes on the people for food
they all work with governments in people control, support the exploitation of the people in all areas..use doctrine to facilitate such control...mind control
here ...if yuh have the time you cud not use an hour better:
[quote author=The Chairman link=topic=67878.msg425912#msg425912 date=1341177828]
i am tired of the egotistical proclamations by those who want to dictate on how individuals should live but with only one life to live its better when each individual is left on their own to choose that path.
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behind the proclamation is social control for profit..financial slavery for profit..and actual murderous violence if you refuse to be enslaved.
people will be free to persue their own course when they come out and change the world in collective action. we will not have that kind of freedom until we make it for ourselves
why do black people still embrace christianity which is the religion of the slave masters.
It teaches a doctrine like turn the other cheek so that they can slap your face on both sides
It also teaches things like " it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven .
How about " the meek shall inherit the earth"? ... definitely teachings to supress the slaves
[quote author=The Chairman link=topic=67878.msg425928#msg425928 date=1341181145]
why cant a rich man go to heaven?
[/quote] Dont ask me , it says so in the bible Luke 25 verse 18
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why do black people still embrace christianity which is the religion of the slave masters.
It teaches a doctrine like turn the other cheek so that they can slap your face on both sides
It also teaches things like " it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven .
How about " the meek shall inherit the earth"? ... definitely teachings to supress the slaves
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and of course by black people, you mean american black people! but isnt there a simple answer to that question?
make the church work to the extent that anything at all worked in the interest of black people in a totally dominates situation and presto you have your answer.
up to a few generations ago almost every prominent black figure in anything at all came out of the church.. any black male of any significance who wasn't lynched was in the church safe as a black man could be in jim crow america.
the dominant educational faculty at schools of higher learning for black men was religion/the ministry. the became preachers who went out and expanded christianity, compounding the bad side of reality.
black people had no option yet religion did lead to the officially organised and controlled civil rights movement, that has resulted in an even worse situation for black people. we now have a black elite in place created by the status quo, who lead black people up dead ends all the time.
as far as i see its control for one end to the next. the system knows social evolution, they have exploitations going on all the time, lots of pent up resentment that will lead to revolutionary explosion.
and when they believe such explosions are due to explode they pull off the rebellion themselves by using the levers they had carefully installed all along the way..or those that had taken place naturally.
the liberations of women...the civil rights movements...even the homosexual development....all pre-empted, infiltrated, developed and led to points the system wanted.
now we are having a religious rebellion and the same marks of controlled rebellion are evident. they do not want to lose god and religion. that has been too valuable to the system..the most valuable tool of social control they ever had.
it lasted 2 thousand years and now under threat by scientific advance god is in trouble.. the system is trying to save god by revamping religious doctrine by including the truth... at the end of which however, is still god, the supreme abstraction.
even that black pastor above with all his talk of liberation still has god at the end of his rainbow. and once you see the idealism, the abstraction of god at the end, you know what you are seeing is reaction, bad business no matter how progressive it sounds.
but for a person like me, I go along with the idealism as far as it is progressive, incorporating the truth..take it as an advance above the past crap and use it to advance full truth, the incorporating of...making the day when we all would be fully operative on the extent of truth available on the day closer, bringing that day to reality as soon as possible