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I think the record really is worthy of the best modern day and one of the all time genuinely great cricketers Lara, don't you?
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* Well, Bradman was the greatest batsman ever---yet most runs scored by an Aussie is Ponting.
* Hutton was the greatest English batsman ever---yet most runs scored by a Pommie is Gooch(42.58 avg)
* Records are made to be broken----and all of us Shiv supporters would like to see a statistical great like Shiv(50+ test average) overtake an extraordinary great like Lara in terms of most runs scored.
[size=12pt]* But right now it looks like even Shiv(11842) is deathly afraid of surpassing Lara(11953)----he needs only 112 but the way he is batting that looks like an unsurmountable task.
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* Once Shiv ends his career with a 50+ test average---first Guyanese to do so---that is all I care about---surpassing Lara's 11953----that would be a nice bonus.
* By the way, all of Lara's supporters are hoping and praying for Shiv to be dropped from the WI team after the Barbados test----it will psychologically harm them if Shiv were to miraculously surpass 11953.
Shiv is a loyal, nudger and manipulator and as a batsman he is ordinary. I am sure you will admit to that.
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[size=12pt]* You can use whatever adjective you want, nudger, manipulator, ordinary, etc, etc, to describe Shiv. That is your prerogative.
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* The fact is Shiv has played in 163 tests to date---he has scored 11,842 runs at an average of 51.71 with 30 hundreds and 66 fifties.
[size=12pt]* You and those who are prejudiced against Shiv are free to refer to Shiv as ordinary. But as of today only 6 batsmen in history have scored more test runs than Shiv.
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* I believe you are a supporter of England---well check this:
* Not a single English batsman has scored more test runs than Shiv(11842)---Gooch scored 8900
* Not a single English batsman has scored as much test hundreds as Shiv(30 100s)---Cook has 25
* Not a single English batsman has scored as much test fifties as Shiv(66)----Gooch made 46 50s
BOTTOM LINE:
* Shiv Chanderpaul has carved a unique niche for himself in test cricket---he must never be compared to any other cricketer.
[size=14pt]* If you deem him to be ordinary---that is your choice----but when all is said and done---"ordinary" shiv has put up some extraordinary numbers in his long and illustrious career.
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Shiv is a loyal, nudger and manipulator and as a batsman he is ordinary. I am sure you will admit to that.
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[size=12pt]* You can use whatever adjective you want, nudger, manipulator, ordinary, etc, etc, to describe Shiv. That is your prerogative.
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* The fact is Shiv has played in 163 tests to date---he has scored 11,842 runs at an average of 51.71 with 30 hundreds and 66 fifties.
[size=12pt]* You and those who are prejudiced against Shiv are free to refer to Shiv as ordinary. But as of today only 6 batsmen in history have scored more test runs than Shiv.
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* I believe you are a supporter of England---well check this:
* Not a single English batsman has scored more test runs than Shiv(11842)---Gooch scored 8900
* Not a single English batsman has scored as much test hundreds as Shiv(30 100s)---Cook has 25
* Not a single English batsman has scored as much test fifties as Shiv(66)----Gooch made 46 50s
BOTTOM LINE:
* Shiv Chanderpaul has carved a unique niche for himself in test cricket---he must never be compared to any other cricketer.
[size=14pt]* If you deem him to be ordinary---that is your choice----but when all is said and done---"ordinary" shiv has put up some extraordinary numbers in his long and illustrious career.
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[quote author=Mail? link=topic=97370.msg634614#msg634614 date=1430229050]
Like your incessant derision (contemptuous mockery and ridicule) of Bravo and Pollard?
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How does a WALKING OFF the job players : compare with a 21+ year servant of the game :
THAT holds the records for Crease occupation ??
Mail you are a jackass of no mean order and your personal vigilantism of Bravo and Pollard is duly noted !
[quote author=Mail? link=topic=97370.msg634621#msg634621 date=1430229606]
Shiv has had longevity, has great numbers[size=12pt] aided by selfish not out [/size]and teh numbers are what they are.[/quote]
* You have referred to Shiv's 49 NOT OUTS as selfish.
* Would you also refer to Alan Border's 44 Not Outs as selfish ?
* How about Steve Waugh ? Would you also refer to his 46 Not Outs as selfish ?
* Shiv, Border, and Waugh all played the majority of their test innings at the #5 batting positions and in terms of percentages their NOT OUTS in terms of innings played were nearly identical.
* [size=14pt]Your prejudice against Shiv is all yours Mail---hug it up and let it eat away at your heart and mind.
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