Was Kallis better than Sobers?

[quote author=Whispering Death link=topic=45351.msg541131#msg541131 date=1388352364]
who would even put kallis in the same ballpark. Just look at his average in australia. Some people have no idea
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* Both Kallis and Sobers were ordinary against Australia.

* Sobers averaged 43.14 in 19 tests against Australia.

* Kallis averaged 41.22 in 29 tests against Australia.

* [size=14pt]By the way, did you know that Sobers averaged only 38.86 in 9 tests against Australia at home---and did not score a hundred against the Aussies in the Caribbean ?[/size]

Rev

You've obviously never watch Sir Garry Sobers play cricket, he destroyed Dennis Lillie in his prime, when he was on his way out of the game & without a helmet, Jaques Callis doesn't know what intensity is my friend, he's too well padded to have felt the real adrenaline of one of the best pace bowler's bouncers flying past your unprotected brow. Don't try to compare real cricketers with the diluted pansies that play today, compare dwarfs with dwarfs, not giants with dwarfs. jaques kallis... Ha!

[quote author=Kwami link=topic=45351.msg541136#msg541136 date=1388354206]
and Rev while we are at  it ,  why don't you equalize the the number of games that Sobers played  to that of Kallis  and then extrapolate  Sobers numbers  , using his batting and bowling averages and see what you will arrive at in comparison with Kallis.
  You being the numbers guy.
You will find that Sobers aggregate in runs and wickets  would be higher and with a higher batting average than that of Kallis
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Listen Kwami!

* Kallis cannot lace Sobers boots when it comes to being a cricketer.

* Sobers is the greatest cricketer who ever played the game.

* BUT NUMBERS DON'T LIE.

* Sobers took a wicket every 92 balls; Kallis took a wicket every 69 balls

* Sobers had a bowling average of 34.03; Kallis 32.65

BOTTOM LINE:

[size=14pt]Sobers was a great batsman---an ordinary bowler---a great fielder---add that up and you get a great allrounder----and yes---Sobers was definitely a greater allrounder than Kallis.[/size]

Rev

[quote author=supercat link=topic=45351.msg541138#msg541138 date=1388354764]
You've obviously never watch Sir Garry Sobers play cricket, he destroyed Dennis Lillie in his prime, when he was on his way out of the game & without a helmet, Jaques Callis doesn't know what intensity is my friend, he's too well padded to have felt the real adrenaline of one of the best pace bowler's bouncers flying past your unprotected brow. Don't try to compare real cricketers with the diluted pansies that play today, compare dwarfs with dwarfs, not giants with dwarfs. jaques kallis... Ha!
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* Sobers 254 for the Rest of the world against Australia was an innings of brilliance.

* But Sobers was not as dominant and destructive as fans make him out to be.

* Once again, THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE

* In 93 tests Sobers had a strike rate of only 53.43----similar to Tendulkar(54.04) and Sangakkara(53.93)

* Lara had a strike rate of 60.51; Richards had a strike rate of 69.28.

* Another thing---Sobers scored 8032 runs----723 fours and 32 sixes---only 38.3% of his 8032 runs came in boundaries.

* Even a poker like Shiv scored a higher percentage of his runs in boundaries----45.2%

[size=14pt]Anyway, Sobers is the greatest cricketer to have ever played the game----but in batting he was not as dominant(gauging by strike rate and % of runs scored by boundaries) as Richards and Lara and in bowling he was ordinary.[/size]

Rev

OK rev we do agree and I  do respect your numbers but what the numbers do not tell was the quality of the opposition they faced .
Sobers did not had  the luxury to face the likes of powerhouses like Bangladesh , Zimbabwe, SriLanka and the Westindies and therein lies the weakness of his bowling in comparison

ah rev!  demolition is your game. denigration your intent.  but it will take much more tat you and Mail/easyrider to take down the the great man.

we have both lived through Sobers Rev..you and  I..and you could only have avoided the magic  if you lived in the deep Rupununi, without a radio and even a disparate newspaper with a sports page blowing your way in the backwoods

so sorry Rev...but you can always make up.  the archives are there.

and let me tell you eh...that [size=18pt]FIGURES ALWAYS LIE[/size]

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Quote:OK rev we do agree and I  do respect your numbers

WOT IS THIS KWAMI!!!!  Yuh backing down from Rev and his lying numbers, compromising!!! 

doh do dat!  numbers mean something only where hey have been rigorously compiled, absolutely accurate with no flaw, fault or mistake.  and we know that that is not possible.

numbers do not account for all and every decision made that affects results from which numbers are taken..but which numbers do not take into consideration those very decisions and how they  were arrived at.

there are a zillion unquantifiable factors that lead up to all that exists...so much we can never add in because we don't know, have not observed them... that go into everything, that there is no possibility numbers can reflect the totality of reality

numbers lie all the time for these reasons.

  numbers do not take into consideration the joy of the Oz every time they got Sobers out for example.  numbers do not reflect the fact that Oz planned for Sobers, analysed him incessantly, looking for flaws in his make-up to exploit to get him out.

[size=24pt]hey rev...try calculate a number for the time and cost to the oz labouring to get sobers out.  it is obvious they devoted a whole lot  of  time to that goal[/size]

No  Maps I do agree with him that Sobers is, was and will always be the greatest

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=45351.msg541027#msg541027 date=1388251705]

so many variables to factor in when comparing  ![/quote]

Correct !!! ........ That's why it is difficult to compare players from different eras.

BUT for me ........ it would have to be Sobers as he had that "IT factor"  8)

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=45351.msg541142#msg541142 date=1388360100]


and let me tell you eh...that [size=18pt]FIGURES ALWAYS LIE[/size]

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* That's a nervous laugh Mapoui.

* [size=14pt]YOU OBVIOUSLY CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH.[/size]

* And the truth is while Sobers was an extraordinarily great batsman and fielder---he was just an ordinary bowler.

* 235 wickets at an average of 34.03 and a bowling strike rate of 91.9----those are ordinary numbers.

Rev