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West Indies cricket is like rugby in Australia, it is in permanent decline

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30 Jan 2015 18:05 #237851 by andy999
West Indies cricket is like rugby in Australia, it is in permanent decline. The kids don’t dream of Test glory anymore, if they dream of cricket at all it’s T20 riches, but more likely they’re kickng a football or shooting a basketball. If it wasn’t for the immense amount of money that is now thrown around cricket, it’s unlikely it would have lasted this long. The nail in the coffin is that they aren’t a real country, it’s a team from a bygone era and they’ll eventually fade into obscurity.

It’s the ultimate tragedy for me as an Australian cricket fan, because the first series I truly followed with all my spirit and was captivated by, was the ’95 series during which Australia wrestled the title of best from the Caribbean Kings. People talk about the ’05 Ashes as the greatest series ever, but it wasn’t quite as good as ’95; the ’05 England team didn’t contain any real superstars except KP and their wasn’t the drama of glass wickets to stop Warne or the odd quirk of a little known and never seen again BJ destroying the greatest team on earth in one of about 5 tests he ever played. The shot of Freddie consoling Lee was a beautiful moment in sport, but it’ll never match Ambrose being pulled away from Waugh (I’m getting goose bumps typing it) – this was two titans of the game at their greatest

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31 Jan 2015 14:07 - 01 Feb 2015 02:25 #237926 by mapoui

dead wrong!  the west indies is indeed a real country that its leadership is doing its best to keep down by strangling its unity..refuse to formalize the nation.

the formal federation was killed by these same leaders who proceeded to establish a federation for themselves at the top of the region.  there is  indeed a strong and informal west indian nation rather.. 2 informal nations one of the elites, by the elites for the elites.  that wont die until the people kill it.. or the west indies is invaded by forriners who take over. invasion will also kill the next real west indian nation the one of the people they keep down by among other efforts, strangling the cricket team

west indies cricket has been reduced by the west indian elites who are afraid of the revolutionary potential of a successful cricket team and the unity it creates at the bottom of west indian society...most particularly now that Indos have come out and joined up. Indos have been a discordant note in west indian unity up to now.  cricket even at this low ebb is helping to include Indos in the developing general west indian cultural  flavor and social interest from the ground up.  social social collectivism opposed to the normal division scares the crap out of the west indian elites. 

imagine if Indos/Afros producer another great team that dominates the world.  imagine what that would mean socially in the west indies...just try imagine what that mean to ordinary west indians for unit and social change..in this age with a systematically failed system in need of change from the ground up ::confused::  it would mean revolution from the ground up with Indos involved..not sitting by the side and watching, hands in deh pockets.

the west indian elites also use a bureaucratic system to bleed the cricket as they bleed the nations of the region..an administrative structure that is perfect for zero sum economic parasitism, reducing and ultimately killing of the host
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01 Feb 2015 03:48 #237976 by Kittyworker
It is definitely hard comparison you have made here. Firstly, Australian Rugby is not really declining, it is more that league is growing and Aussie rules has always been big. There is less room for Rugby to dominate compared to other countries such as Fiji and New Zealand. Australia is still ranked highly and have some great pathways for young players to develop. It's just some other nations have caught up to them in recent times.

West Indian Cricket has really had its soul ripped out of them. It has lost a lot of great players and the young talent hasn't been well mentored. One example of this is how they seem to keep changing captains. The management and politics of course hasn't helped and with the contractual issues it seems unsettling to players at least. So in terms of comparing this to Australian Rugby it is really apples to oranges here. I would say that the pathway structure and concrete management of players isn't there in West Indians which makes a lot of outside distractions for players.   

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01 Feb 2015 09:25 - 01 Feb 2015 10:46 #237985 by mapoui
there s a basis to everything.  everything runs a way that is relative to its base..how it functions and why... and everything is relative, nothing isolated.

west indies cricket is of west indies society and that functions..its history, how it came to be.  when that is examined it gives up much of what I say about west indies cricket and the west indian nation, explaining much more than current west indian cricket failure but west indian social failure.

when west indian society as a whole is examined the very same failure of the cricket is even more fully expressed by the state of west indian society..all a collective failed enterprise.  west indian society is easily in a far more catastrophic state than the cricket. west indian cricket is merely  a sure and certain reflection of west indian culture..a content that is intellectually/emotionally poisoned, leaving the people/region by structure to produce social disaster.

the west indies is a product of criminal historical design by totally dominant exploitative powers, who built on genocide, factory based slavery and indenture and planned social division by deliberately putting together social elements..Africans, Indos, Chinese, Syrians etc who would have the greatest difficulty coalescing into a proper, integrated society in a region riven by ethnic and class divisions produced systematically by the way the society was put together and allowed to work. 

n!ggers were at the bottom matched by numbers of Indos who have no love for Africans.  these were given advantages on arrival that Africans never had.  similarly the Chinese, then later Syrians were allotted the commercial sector while the whites dominated plantation agriculture and high, mineral extraction, high finance/regional administration.  with a social pyramid that warranted all sectors to be at each others throats just to survive the west indies was just about hell on earth...

from the start to now that situation has poisoned the west indies by structure...a structure that is worsened by absolute forrin financial control that the west indian elites manage for forrin financial interests.  the west indian elites now infest that forrin induced, created scorched earth exploitative structure, and the west indian governments are just the old colonial administration writ larger, modernized.  the prime ministers are the equivalent of the old english governors sent out by the colonial office to run the region for england.  still going on.....

the people are poisoned by forrin generated propaganda they call education. all the nations are bankrupt with rates like debt to GDP of +150%.  Trinidad became solvent due to high oil prices..and is in serious trouble now that oil prices are falling. before high oil prices Trinidad was broke and insolvent as well.  the debt/central bank based financial system has been bleeding the west indies like a stuck pig from independence.  but the region was bled from day one in the search then for precious metals, followed by settler genocide of the indigenous, followed by cane sugar, coffee, coconut, cocoa, cotten etc... slave-based industrial agriculture.

that same rapacious system is in place.  it is worse than ever, more complete exploitation than before, but minus the slave master with the whip..at least the white slave master.  he has been replaced by the black master in the suit and tie doing a better, more cost effective job for the current forrin Marse

yet there is a west indian nation..2 sides of it..the  black federated elite parasites and the west indian ordinary people, backward, stupid, miss-educated and totally exploited, all matter of crap imposed on them. 

the solution to the west indian problem from all that development is self evident.  the social pyramid must be capsized, old Marse finally driven away, the general exploitation ended and a horizontal society in the interest of all the people must be built.  the solution is in the interest of the people becoming the principle upon which a new social organization is built.  when that happens all will be well.  the cricket will be renewed and will once again be top class.

only such a society would produce the quality of people who can do much more than play excellent cricket but excel at world class levels  in all we do.  right now all the old regime produces and promotes are jokers and Toms like Sammy and Jason Holder.  the more subservient a personality is the further one goes in west indian society.  and subservient personalities usually cannot do anything very well.  like Sammy and Holder they certainly cant play cricket like the independent tough and creative personalities of previous times.

west indian society works to drive away all such personalities and homogenize things by the promotion of the assh0les who now populate the team.  only when we have a society that does not fear strong personalities will we once again do well in the world.  currently people like Holding, Roberts, Richards would not be selected no matter how good they are.  and irony of ironies..some of those same players in power..{LLoyd for example} would go along with what is happening today..a situation that would have suppressed they themselves were they vying for places currently
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