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05 Jun 2019 10:09 #372112 by mapoui
Ketchim..if I have the time I am going to talk my head off here. do not pay too much mind. your own choices are what is import and your way of getting to them. hold on to that.

I am totally lunatic now, out of things. I will not even bet..but I can talk for whatever use it is. I am getting old and right now I cant do anything right so I am not even trying. I have soort given up..or on hold in case I fll back into stride

there is a Canadian horse in there by the name of Sir Winston, he was foaled in Kentucky and began in Canada winning. his trainer is Mark Casse which explains the Canadian connection. he has a fine pedigree for the distance and he had a terrific race at Belmont in the grade 3 Peter pan..in which he ran second, getting to the leader and winner

that race was 46 1:10 1:34'2 1:46'3

man! that is some kind of running there. Sir Winston ran outside that pace:
48 1:12 1:35'1 1:46'4 and a half just just a fifth of a second from the win

he broke 9 &1/2 out at 4 furlongs he was 11 out at 6 furlongs he was 10 out by the stretch he was 3 & 1/2
and at the end second a fifth of a second from dead heat

that horse can run. and Casse made a rider swtich tp Joel Rosario..a rider who can be pure class but who is a kind of mounted, mysterious man who rides according to how the wind blows. this is set to run another big race, full of form, likes the track, strong pedigree for the D..istance and rider who can, and a trainer who can train lights out

but note that same trainer has at least one other horse in the race. I don't know what that means to the chances of of Sir Winston. but Sir Winston is clearly a threat for the whole pot

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05 Jun 2019 10:15 #372113 by mapoui
then there is this horse between Sir Winston and Ketchim's horse War of Will Intrepid Heart

oh mi god! look at trouble here. Perfect pedigree for the D, perfect lightly raced win profile with J R Velasquez on his back.

Intrepid Heart is trained by one of the greats and his last race was May 11. since then on May 25 and June 1 he has had two perfect preps. he is ready to go...and he must be considered for the win. all considered he is the horse to win the race

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05 Jun 2019 20:04 #372151 by ketchim
keep talking it out ! ;)

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06 Jun 2019 20:35 #372169 by mapoui
al day long while allyuh doing EID and having a whale..I wukkin' hard in the sun with some people..I helping to grow clean food. it felt so good working again... in the sun..even if fuh free.

and as the women say; O MI god! what a great day it was. they cud not beat this day..incredibly beautiful day...it almost broke my constant depression. i hope its the same way tomorrow. 2 days in row might do the trick







I tired tuh rarse sleep bussin mih but I handicappin' Belmont stakes to try make life easier fuh ketchim, captain and mudmen when all three might be the same one

anyhow I jess comparing #1 in the race the supposed speedster and expected pace setter in the race and on paper he cant even run faster than War of Will Ketchim choice. I dont think Joevia will be a problem for War of Will unless he uncorks a race on saturday he has never run before..dreamed about running and never thought he could run so fast

if he does not have such a race in his bag he will get beat by WoW and by some others as well.

but that is a sleepy conclusion and I going to sleep now. fresh tomorrow I may see it differently

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07 Jun 2019 11:18 #372173 by mapoui
as I was saying about Shanghai Bobby. sire of the supposed front runner in the Belmont tomorrow;

he is oriented to to speed as a sire..and he was a sprinter as a racehorse and won a lot of money at shorter races. I see only two stakes at routes he won of the 6 races he won in his career:

the Breeders cup Juvenile at 1 and 1/16
the Champagne at a mile ..8 furlongs

all the rest were sprints

one must go back 3 generations to find Affirmed in Bobby's pedigree. there are a few in his fourth generation of 16 horses:
Storm Bird
Halo
Exclusive Native
Blushing Groom
Mr Prospector
Honest pleasure
back by his fifth generation there are a few really strong route influences but they have never showed up in Bobby. will they show up in Bobby's son Joevia?

I don't know. A second look at Joevias pedigree reveals fully that his Sire War Front, also the sire of the race favorite War of Will, is also the sire of Joevia's Dam Peace Process. War Front is a popular influence for speed and distance.

so Joevia may be a better horse than he looks at first glance..which is reason why he is trying a mile and a half in the Belmont. His connections must think very highly of him to put him in the Belmont

However Joevia is not faster than that any of the other contenders for the win in the race so I don't really expect too much of a front running effort to steal the race. that seems now to be a media creation and not to be taken seriously

Most likely Joevia will try to win the race from a stalking position, or if in front only just, settling in at a controlled pace trying to excel off that controlled pace to the wiyah in the stretch. Joevai cant afford to run too fast early or that would eliminate any chance he has of winning. so if his connections are serious about winning the race they will hold him back, settle down and try to win with energy save down the stretch from a good position achieved early, likely on the fence

a very good and experienced rider has been chosen for Joevia..Jose Lezcano. if anyone other than the top jocks can do it, Lezcano can

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07 Jun 2019 17:29 #372178 by ketchim
good stuff ....I will have a look at put it all together in the morning !

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07 Jun 2019 18:51 #372183 by mapoui
#2 Everfast is a typical Take Charge Indy horse..poor win profile, late running, and can eff up a tri, super and hi 5 jess like dat.

the thing is they can run all day long..and the faster the race the better they can come home for a piece that upsets everybody

Joel Rosario can do what he did in the Preakness if he is in the mood. the Preakness was a pretty fast race that gave Everfast a chance and Rosario can take such chances and more..if he is serious on the day

but they have done even better than Rosario by putting Luis Saez in his place. that Luis Saez can ride man and he wants to. at this stage of his career he is very ambitious and good and smart. so Saez will be battling for a part of the Belmont. I dont think he thinks he can win the race but that wont stop him from trying to

so in exotics don't leave out Everfast..play him from second to fifth. the faster the race the more likely he is to be part of the mix

the only negative factor is that i don't like the two preps they stuffed into him in about 5 days. I don't like that and don't know why. they had 3 weeks to prep him in time. did he get sick or something and they cud not work him normally?

but Everfast is one of them also-rans who can run enough to spoil things for a punter if he is under rated

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07 Jun 2019 19:09 #372184 by mapoui
#3 Master Fencer is another horse up in there who is ticklish

First race in America he ran a nice Kentucky Derby in the slop..making up a ton of ground. from the second call to the finish. in fact he he made up ground from the start..from dead last 23 lengths of 19 horses, to 7th by 4 lengths

that's 19 lengths and 12 horses..just 4 lengths from the winner. that's nothing to sneeze at for such a horse from half the world away..fus' time

since then they have worked him 4 times, well spaced, at Keeneland twice and twice at Belmont..the last 2. the last two look pretty decent.

and Master Fencer has some nice blood in his PD. I like to go from about 3 generations back although five and six generations are not to be neglected. 3 generations back MF has Wild again from Icecapade both route influences. that is on the sire side of things Just A Way, a sire I am not familiar with

on his dam side he is out of Deputy Minister and Vice Regen both out of Northern dance a seriously strong class grass horse back in the day. these horses are strong route influences though mostly on Grass. but they produce main track winners too. so does Broad Brush from Ack Ack

so there is some route power in MF which is why here is here at mile and half in the Belmont

take good look at him in the post parade. Julien Leparoux is a capable rider. I don't know the Trainer. he is Japanese but the fact that he is here in these the biggest of races we must accord some credit to him

the crowd shud have a good idea of who MF really is and wont likely let him sooprise them. so where he sits in the betting is where he likely shud be. but if he passes my post parade eye-test he shud not be left out of the exotics

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07 Jun 2019 19:19 #372185 by mapoui
now you get into whom I consider the big 5

#4 Tax Irad Ortiz/Danny Gargan...a trainer I am not familiar with but who has an
but who has a good record. Ortiz is a top rider

#6 Spinoff Javier Castellano/Todd Pletehcer

#8 Intrepid Heart John Velasquez/Todd Pletcher

#9 War of Will Tyler Gaffalione/Mark Casse

#10 Tacitus Jose Ortiz/William Mott

and on the outside looking in with a stare is #7 Sir Winston with Joel Rosario/Mark Casse..the form horse

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07 Jun 2019 20:08 #372186 by mapoui
#5 Bourbon War

I don't like Artie Schiller as a sire and I have said my piece about him already..but looking at Bourbon War's pedigree again I am not so sanguine about it.

BW's dam is My Conquestadory who has started off with a bang as a dam with BW winning over 200k so far. he has taken 6 races to do it at a sale price of 225,000.00 they paid for him which is not so good

but Conquestadory's Dam is Golden Artemis from Malibu Moon who as a sire is nothing to sneeze at. there is the class on BW's dam side and its pretty good.

racing there are concerns:
he broke his maiden with a win then never ran on in the Remsen as a 2 year old in Nov and Dec 2018. he came back 48 days later at Gulfstream to win a 75k N1x, then was second in the Fountain of youth then once again failed to run on in the Florida Derby on march 30 2019

they said that race was a solid bid by BW but this is how he ran:
11 horse field he broke 9, was by 5 at the start from the 4 hole/ first call he was still 9 by 5 and a quarter/second call he was 7 by 4 and a half/third call he was 5 by 8 and a half/finish 4 by 7 and a half.

what the hell was so solid about that?

the race was a mile and a 16 and the splits were 48 and 4/1:12 and 4/ 1:36 and 1/1:48 and 4.

that's a nice race that a class horse that owners paid quarter of a million for shud run easily and contend or win that race.

then the game him a freshener as if he needed one from Mar 30 to May 18 for the Preakness. now note that he won his first race..and after that freshener from last year to early this year he came back with a win. but this time in the Preakness he cam back with a dud race

Bourbon war was 8 of 13 in the Preakness 10 lengths from the leader and winner WoW. since the Preakness he has had 1 prep which seems half decent. but Bourbon War has won only a maiden race and a N1x in his career..has been beaten in his 4 graded stakes tries to date, and was soundly beaten in all except his second place in the Fountain of youth at GP

he has been and is trained by Mark Hennig who has not been training successfully recently but he has been around a long time. the horse has been ridden by Jose Ortiz who is known as a very capable rider. so now they have chucked Mike Smith on his back what can we expect?

Ability times
24-2 18 Florida Derby
24-2 18 N1x
Ph-form ?
Early Speed 2

total points by ability 38
last 3 races he has broken slowly and made up ground in 1...the Fountain of Youth Stakes
his last race the Preakness was bad. the comment in his Preakness line by Brisnet is "no Factor"

there is no way but up from here. so watch the post parade carefully to try gauge how the horse is feeling and if he may run a quality race in the Belmont

I don't expect much. Smith is a very capable rider but can he turn this horse's fifth graded stakes into a winner? I don't think so. I don't think the horse is capable of that. of getting part of the hi 5? possible! but not a win. but we will see
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