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Go back and read the above postings Vernon. I promised you, the light bulb will come on. 8)
By the way, what will be the price for your 5 books to end all books?
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Snoop what's wrong with you? ::confused::
I recommended a Vernon Howard book and you saying I'm Vernon Howard? ::confused::
Quote:“Because the faith of Islam is perfect, it does not allow for any innovations to the religion,†says one young Muslim explaining his faith online. His statement betrays a naïve lack of information about the origins of his own dogmas. But more broadly, it sums up the challenge all religions face moving forward. Imagine if a physicist said, “Because our understanding of physics is perfect, it does not allow for any innovations to the field.â€
Adherents who think their faith is perfect, are not just naïve or ill informed. They are developmentally arrested, and in the case of the world’s major religions, they are anchored to the Iron Age, a time of violence, slavery, desperation and early death.
Ironically, the mindset that our sacred texts are perfect betrays the very quest that drove our ancestors to write those texts. Each of the men who wrote part of the Bible, Quran, or Gita took his received tradition, revised it, and offered his own best articulation of what is good and real. We can honor the quest of our spiritual ancestors, or we can honor their answers, but we cannot do both.
Religious apologists often try to deny, minimize, or explain away the sins of scripture and the evils of religious history. “It wasn’t really slavery.†“That’s just the Old Testament.†“He didn’t mean it that way.†“You have to understand how bad their enemies were.†“Those people who did harm in the name of God weren’t real [Christians/Jews/Muslims].†Such platitudes may offer comfort, but denying problems doesn’t solve them. Quite the opposite, in fact. Change comes with introspection and insight, a willingness to acknowledge our faults and flaws while still embracing our strengths and potential for growth.
In a world that is teeming with humanity, armed with pipe bombs and machine guns and nuclear weapons and drones, we don’t need defenders of religion’s status quo—we need real reformation, as radical as that of the 16th Century and much, much broader. It is only by acknowledging religion’s worst ideas that we have any hope of embracing the best.
this thread hasn't really gone the way I wanted it to go. I wanted to get to point at which we could decide on what was bad and awful in religion and where we could go from here.....
to this effect I posted much about what the Electric universe has advanced about the past..what they likely proven about mythology and how those stories influenced the very religion we are talking about here. we ignore how we came to this..the relationship between humanity and the environment and what that led to....
snoops introduced Freud and I talked about trauma as a collective human experience the effects of which is still with us and must be resolved for humanity to become sane and peaceable with itself...what was the traumatic event that produce our collective psychosis then::confused::
pattacake does not want to look at what the Electric Universe presents us with...their claim and supportive case.of the central traumatic even in human experience
the electric Universe's case is valid, their information and proof of inestimable value in clearing up all we struggle with in this thread
I hope snoops takes the time to look at the links..especially the first one..with Wallace Thornhill. it would be time well spent
Worst thing that Christianity taught is to turn the other cheek . Forgive your enemies .
This Mantra was used to subjugate indigenous peoples and facilitated colonialism slavery and oppression.
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Worst thing that Christianity taught is to turn the other cheek . Forgive your enemies .
This Mantra was used to subjugate indigenous peoples and facilitated colonialism slavery and oppression.
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Wrong.
The worst thing that religion period teaches is that god is a man.
[quote author=Kwami link=topic=95947.msg620813#msg620813 date=1424499328]
Worst thing that Christianity taught is to turn the other cheek . Forgive your enemies .
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worst thing Islam taught is to Slap 'em back on de same cheek. Blow up your enemies.
