Not Lord Shiva but Buddha is the real Diety

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Again, you are not addressing the point. Which statement?

I am not an apologist...I am a realist. I live in a world where everyone co-exists in a space and time, trying to understand what this life is all about.  We see good and we say good. When we see bad, we say bad. And when they are wrong you address that wrong, you don't condemn everyone they are associated with.
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I repeat your entire statement is wrong. 

Let's start with the big fish: morality.  What evidence have you that religions are responsible for our morality, presumably since time immemorial, and that as a necessary implication we would not be moral or be compelled to be moral without religion.

Let's start with this.

Ok...morality...are you disputing that we are not taught morality via religious indoctrination?

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Ok...morality...are you disputing that we are not taught morality via religious indoctrination?
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This is your case.  You stated that religion provides us with morality.  Axiomatic is the premise that without religion we would not be moral or compelled to act morally.  It appears that this conclusion is somehow self evident to you.  Well I require that your prove it.

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Ok...morality...are you disputing that we are not taught morality via religious indoctrination?
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"Religion is good. From religion we learnt all the sciences we know today. I understand that early pursuit of education was initiated via religon. There is where we were taught our morals and that is where our values were inculcated."

The above is what you wrote.  I would like for you to provide some cogent evidence proving the various and discrepant assertions contained in your statement.

And I don't require that you necessarily answer the question today.

I would rather a well thought out and reasoned answer than a clumsy and hasty one.

Think about it carefully and at length and respond tomorrow if you don't have the time today.

Yes lets start...my religious teachings taught me to be kind, considerate, fair, just, equitable...and that was before I knew what those things meant, and how to apply them to my life today. However, even today, I hold those values/morals close to my being. It taught me to respect my parents, to honor, worship them. And I still do. I am not sure where you got, or if you were exposed to any religious teachings, but if you were, then I am sure you would have been aware of the 'goodness' imparted by the religious teachings.

Seems like you are in a didactic mode today...anyways I hope it helps you in your self-exploration.

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Yes lets start...my religious teachings taught me to be kind, considerate, fair, just, equitable...and that was before I knew what those things meant, and how to apply them to my life today. However, even today, I hold those values/morals close to my being. It taught me to respect my parents, to honor, worship them. And I still do. I am not sure where you got, or if you were exposed to any religious teachings, but if you were, then I am sure you would have been aware of the 'goodness' imparted by the religious teachings.
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Which religious teachings specifically?

None of the enumerated virtues you listed such as kindness, consideration of others, fairness, justice or equity is contingent on or originated from organized religions.  Sure, I grant you that all religions and its members claim to possess these virtues in spades but no evidence has been pro-offered to suggest that these virtues are solely in the purview of the religious and correspondingly to the exclusion of the non-religious.

In fact far more evidence exists that our concepts of morality pre-dates religion.  The golden rule for example was stated by Confucius hundreds of years before the alleged appearance of Yeshua Bin Yosef a.k.a Jesus Christ.  The code of Hammurabi pre-dates any set of enumerated religious laws such as the ten commandments.

I don't take it as self evident that religions confer upon us the compunction to be moral.

Bai you real confused. Your concept of religion begin where again? Date? I am asking you this becasue I want to understand how you arrive at your conclusion.

Have you read any religious texts? And were any without the teaching of morals?

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Bai you real confused. Your concept of religion begin where again? Date? I am asking you this becasue I want to understand how you arrive at your conclusion.

Have you read any religious texts? And were any without the teaching of morals?
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Remember, this is your case.  You stated it as self evident that religion confers morality on us.  I am simply saying provide proper evidence for this proposition.

And yes, I've read the Bible, the Quran, the Torah and the Vedic and Buddists texts.  You seem to assume I have not.

The more religious books I read the more I came to the conclusion that they are man made rather than divine revelations. 

My view is that morality is innate in us human beings.  That social cohesion requires people to abstain from murder, theft, infidelity etc.  That religion represents the childhood of our species in that it triumphs faith over reason.