Snoop, how much religious teaching/training have you had? And why are you so vehemently anti-religion. Atheists are fine...it is also a belief in non-believing.
Rationally, you must have reached that conclusion after carefully exploring the fallacies of religion, I am sure.
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Snoopy it is important that you make a clear distinction between the violent perpetrators and the religion. All religious people are not bad. And all bad people are not religious.
Religion is good. From religion we learnt all the sciences we know today. I understand that early pursuit of education was initiated via religon. There is where we were taught our morals and that is where our values were inculcated. We must not, and cannot allow, the demented, the misguided, and the crazies to triumph over our judgment of all religionists.
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You are wrong on every single count. If you want, create a separate thread where we can debate/discuss this fallacy at length and over the next days, weeks and months.
But to borrow the words from one of my favourite secular writer Christopher Hitchens, "Religion Poisons Everything". That is my premise for the discussion.
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Snoopy, actually I question where in the above post I am wrong.
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I stated, every single count.
But your statement reeks of the daily babble I hear from political apologists on the nightly news careful not to further offend members of the un-offendable religion. This babble about "not all religious people are bad" that "its only a small member of the religion who are extremists" "they don't represent all Muslims".
Again, you are not addressing the point. Which statement?
I am not an apologist...I am a realist. I live in a world where everyone co-exists in a space and time, trying to understand what this life is all about. We see good and we say good. When we see bad, we say bad. And when they are wrong you address that wrong, you don't condemn everyone they are associated with.
I am not naive to suggest that Islam is without problems. In fact as a religion they have the most explosive issue of the day. No pun intended. But that is something they will have to deal with on their terms. And the modern world will have to understand that these people live by a different edict. Ultimately they will have to determine if Islam, as practiced in the ME, is compatible with their lives today.
