In all types of conditions Sobers to me edged the Don as a cricketer

Bradman's statistics were staggering but Gary was morally outstanding with both bat and ball which his figures do not do complete justice to.Gary's combined impact with bat and ball would edge Bradmans with the bat who was not at his best on wet pitches or against body-line bowling.Sobers played in an era when cricket was more competitive and at his best in a crisis in the most difficult conditions like versus England at Kingston in 1967-68 or when scoring 254 versus Australia at Melbourne.His overall cricketing impact in a single series edged Bradman's in 1970 in England when playing for Rest of the world or in the 1966 series in England.In his best era with the ball Gary was an outstanding bowler.In all types of conditions Sobers to me edged the Don as a cricketer.

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In his best era with the ball Gary was an outstanding bowler.In all types of conditions Sobers to me edged the Don as a cricketer.
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[size=18pt]Sobers is the greatest allrounder who ever played the game; Bradman is the greatest batsman who ever played the game. They are both Elite Greats. They were the best in their respective eras.
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A CLOSER LOOK AT SOBERS BATTING:

23.76....This was Sobers average versus NZ in 12 tests----downright mediocre
43.14.... This was Sobers average versus Australia in 19 tests----good
48.83...This was Sobers average in 67 tests versus Aus/Eng/NZ----below 50

BUT, BUT, BUT

* Sobers dominated India and Pakistan---he averaged 83.48 vs India and 89.45 versus Pakistan.

* LOOKS LIKE THE WORLD'S GREATEST ALLROUNDER WAS A SUBCONTINENT BULLY.


* Imagine of Sobers had played against Bangladesh---he would have averaged 1000 against them.

Rev

Garfield Sobers never played against South Africa ?

Never faced Pollock and Procter et al ....

That is why I say JACQUES KALLIS : is the greatest All Rounder , Ever ! 

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=93324.msg593729#msg593729 date=1413214253]

That is why I say JACQUES KALLIS : is the greatest All Rounder , Ever ! 
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A CLOSER LOOK AT KALLIS:

41.22...Kallis average in 29 tests against Australia---good
44.60...Kallis average in 31 tests against England----good
38.87...Kallis average in 15 tests against Sri Lanka---good


BUT, BUT BUT

* Kallis murdered Zimbabwe(169 avg); Bangladesh(79 avg); West Indies(73 avg)

* KALLIS FEASTED ON SHYT BOWLING

* In 36 tests against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the West Indies Kallis averaged 83.80 with 12 hundreds and 16 fifties.


Rev

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=93324.msg593729#msg593729 date=1413214253]
Garfield Sobers never played against South Africa ?

Never faced Pollock and Procter et al ....

That is why I say JACQUES KALLIS : is the greatest All Rounder , Ever ! 
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looking argument eh.  waste of time. dis don' exhausted in Sobers favour.  Kallis was Methuselah..an old accumulative skunt who never took a risk in his life.

Sobers was all winner..the tuffer the situation the more certain he would get going. 

Sobers wud have beat Procter and the rest..anybody and everybody out of the wartuh..just like the cutarse he put on the great Lillee and Massie at 35.

so who was Procter ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::

he was better than Lillee ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::

sheeeesh!

Kallis Bowled a lotta overs : probably MORE that Garry  :-[

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so who was Procter  he was better than Lillee ::confused::
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Check after Lillee's 41 TESTS 

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Kallis Bowled a lotta overs : probably MORE that Garry  :-[
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he also played much more tes' cricket than Garry..bowled against many more shyte teams

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Check after Lillee's 41 TESTS 
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I done check arready. makes no difference

Kallis was Methuselah..an old accumulative skunt who never took a risk in his life. he never saw a chance to do something worthwhile in the game he did not hate and so avoided like the plague
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Exclude the shyt teams !

Compare Kallo and Garry  versus Eng, Oz and NZ : see whom OUT more people !