Channerpauls Runs Were Too Slow! Am I A Hater?

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=92560.msg586643#msg586643 date=1410202546]
well..I am under the impression of decline. you say he was batting for a not out.

if you are right and I am wrong  there is no decline in shive...so no need to ask him to slide down.  if you are wrong then there is need to..

but we will see.... next test, and a lot more coming up soon.
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[size=14pt]MAPPY: HERE ARE SHIV'S CALENDAR YEAR AVERAGE THE PAST 8 YEARS[/size]

2007: 111.60
2008: 101.00
2009: 35.85
2010: 56.29
2011: 53.83
2012: 98.70
2013: 58.11
2014: 70.00

* DID YOU  SEE THOSE YEAR BY YEAR AVERAGES MAPPY ?


QUESTION:

[size=14pt]* Does 40 year old Shiv look like he is slowing down or declining ?[/size]

Rev

it is a legit question to arks..in light of his 85*

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=92560.msg586645#msg586645 date=1410204248]
it is a legit question to arks..in light of his 85*
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* In his very first innings as a 40 year old batsman, Shiv makes 85* at a strike rate of 38----that is a strike rate similar to Conrad Hunte's---Hunte's strike rate was 39----and you Mappy are saying it is a legitimate question to ask if Shiv is in a decline ?

* I thought you were more intelligent than that Mappy.

Rev

MAPPIPPEE,

I would in fact leave Shiv at 5 as he will not agree to any other slot and with Ramdin wanting to win Shiv will lose out from time to time as he did yesterday.

I really do get terribly pissed off with this beloved not out nonsense as that really demeans Shiv's achievements and portrays him as a selfish prat, in my view. No one bats for a not out as a major goal.

If I was to be asked, I would bat my best batsman at 3 and that is Shiv. I see your point about Blackwood but given Kirk is not producing, I would have him at 6 and shift Blackwood to 4 with bravo at 3 but 3 seems to be working for bravo and not sue of Blackwood's technique at 3.

[quote author=Mail link=topic=92560.msg586647#msg586647 date=1410205471]

[size=14pt]I really do get terribly pissed off with this beloved not out nonsense [/size] as that really demeans Shiv's achievements and portrays him as a selfish prat, in my view. No one bats for a not out as a major goal.
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Mail:

* YOU NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS GAME OF CRICKET.

* Batsmen who bat mainly at the #5/6 positions tend to accrue a lot of NOT OUTS.

HERE IS THE PROOF:

* BORDER had 44 NOT OUTS in 265 test innings.

* SWAUGH had 46 NOT OUTS in 260 test innings.

* SHIV has 47 NOT OUTS in 267 test innings.


QUESTION:

* Do you see the similarity in the number of NOT OUTS those outstanding middle order batsmen accrued ?

* So stop the bullshyt about NOT OUTS demeaning Shiv's achievements---did NOT OUTS demean Border and Waugh's achievements ?

Rev

[quote author=Rev link=topic=92560.msg586646#msg586646 date=1410205112]
* In his very first innings as a 40 year old batsman, Shiv makes 85* at a strike rate of 38----that is a strike rate similar to Conrad Hunte's---Hunte's strike rate was 39----and you Mappy are saying it is a legitimate question to ask if Shiv is in a decline ?

* I thought you were more intelligent than that Mappy.

Rev
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hahaha Rev.  yuh too sweet again.

Hunter was an opening batsman with no help.  he usually had to drop anchor for west indies always were 1 down before too long.

everything relative.  we have to ask about chanderpaul relative to chanderpaul  as we go..not relative to hunte.

and hunte could score when he had to..lots of shots

again....it is a legit question to ask

[quote author=Mail link=topic=92560.msg586647#msg586647 date=1410205471]
MAPPIPPEE,

I would in fact leave Shiv at 5 as he will not agree to any other slot and with Ramdin wanting to win Shiv will lose out from time to time as he did yesterday.

I really do get terribly pissed off with this beloved not out nonsense as that really demeans Shiv's achievements and portrays him as a selfish prat, in my view. No one bats for a not out as a major goal.

If I was to be asked, I would bat my best batsman at 3 and that is Shiv. I see your point about Blackwood but given Kirk is not producing, I would have him at 6 and shift Blackwood to 4 with bravo at 3 but 3 seems to be working for bravo and not sue of Blackwood's technique at 3.

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Bravo has proven he does not fit at 3..which is why they have him at 4.  he does better at 4.  so Bravo is untouchable at 4..shive at 5 and gayle at 1...now Paint at 2.  so its 3 and 6 up for grabs.  Edwards on his way out at 6...and now we playing Bang I would put Blackwood at 3 to see..

on the Selfishpaul question I now take that for granted.  we have to take the good with the bad...no one is perfect.  shive does what turns out to be a great job for the west indies but he likes to be not out, and he bats for himself mostly..for shive

yes it belittles shiv a bit but Rev doh seem to mind that.  nor the rest of the guys who post here.  it makes little sense to me.  in the end however, it must make sense but it does not, like this last example here when shive did not accelerate to get a ton.

if the captain is prepared to be directed by what is best for his team then its all good..like Ramdin declared anyway leaving shive on 85.  as long as the captain is prepared to do his job for team and country its fine then

Mapps:

* read my reply to Mail above regarding NOT OUTS.

* Middle order batsmen with long and outstanding careers---they accrue a large number of NOT OUTS.

CHECK THIS:

* BORDER had 44 NOT OUTS in 265 test innings.

* SWAUGH had 46 NOT OUTS in 260 test innings.

* SHIV has 47 NOT OUTS in 267 test innings.


* You know how to interpret those numbers Mapps ?

Rev

Quote:You know how to interpret those numbers Mapps

no!  feel free........

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