West Indies ODI World Cup stats

[size=18pt]Lloyd's captain's knock (102 off 85 balls) helped bring home the 1975 cup:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65049.html

(can anyone find footage of this innings, I'd love to see some highlights)

Viv Richard's 138 off 157 balls helped bring home the 1979 cup, with some big help from King (86 runs off 66 balls) and a five wicket haul by Joel Garner:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65063.html

Whilst searching for Lloyd's captain's knock, I found footage of him killing a seagull:




Other great WI world cup knocks:

Viv Richards' 119:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65077.html

Viv Richards 181 (off 125 balls!):
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65097.html

This means that Viv has more World Cup centuries than any other West Indian.

Gordon Greenidge had 2 world cup centuries:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65075.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65050.html

Gayle's waste of time world cup century vs Kenya don't count.
Chanderpaul's world cup century vs Ireland don't count either.
Devon Smith's world cup century vs Ireland don't count.

Lara has two world cup centuries vs South Africa (vs the deadly Donald and Pollock too):
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65188.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65235.html

Desmond Haynes had a good world cup century, but was overshadowed by Viv in the same match:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65097.html

Ritchie Richardson has a great World Cup century vs a dangerous Pakistani attack:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65113.html

Phil Simmons decides to do something useful for once, and makes a World Cup century in 1992:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65146.html

Tendulkar leads the World Cup Century list with six centuries, a fact which Indian fans like to brag about. But three don't count (2 vs Kenya, 1 vs Namibia) and the other three were loses (vs England, South Africa and Sri Lanka) in runs truck games.

Ricky Ponting has an impressive 5 world cup centuries, only one vs a minnow (Scotland).

Ab devilliers has 3, but all vs minnows (West Indies and Netherlands).[/size]

Winning Causes , Trini :

Lloyd and Kanhai's knock and Captaincy  WON 2 Cups.( 75 and 79 )

So called master blaster Viv LOST the Cup in 1983 :

any of his knocks after that is irrelevant and meaningless :

Till today ( 2014 ) we are unable to recover the efforts of those 2 REAL master blasters  :-[

Even Collis King BLASTED away .... 8)

86 off 66 ...

That was a team full of legends.

Now we have a team full of legumes.

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=88397.msg561956#msg561956 date=1399221879]

That was a team full of legends. Now we have a team full of legumes.
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hahahahaha..... ::LOL:: .......Ravi only eat meat

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[size=18pt]Lloyd's captain's knock (102 off 85 balls) helped bring home the 1975 cup:
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The West Indies were struggling having lost Fredericks, Greenidge and the in form Kallicharran with only 50 runs on the board.

Kanhai provided fantastic support for Lloyd and those two really pulled the game around.

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Kanhai provided fantastic support for Lloyd and those two really pulled the game around.
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That is what REAL master blasters do  8)

"Kanhai provided fantastic support for Lloyd and those two really pulled the game around."

Internationally, Kanhai always gets overlooked. It is only in Trinidad and Guyana where he is correctly rated. Beyond this, you have a few Indian writers, a few famous Indian cricketers (Gavaskar notably) and a few West Indian intellectuals (notably CLR James) who sing his praise. His status in India is largely because he kept destroying them. All his big knocks were in India and he averages over 60 vs them.

Incidentally, the World Cup game you guys are discussing was played at Lords. Kanhai was one of the few players of that era to average over 50 at Lords in both formats.

Kanhai only played a handful of ODI games (seven exactly), but he managed an average of 55, which is staggering for any era. Remember, Kanhai was an old man too when he was playing these ODI games, a format that was relatively new.

And Kanhai's ODI average was well ahead of Viv Richards' average of 47 (Viv played hundreds of ODI games to be fair). Viv's ODI strike-rate was a mammoth 90, though, whilst Kanhai's was "only" 60. It would be interesting to know Kanhai's test strike rate, but we dont have full figures for that era (minutes rather than balls faced were considered important).

But we do have lots of strike-rate stats for many of Kanhai's key test innings (in the 1950s and 60s), and what they do show is that while everyone is scoring at SR of abot 30-40, he is striking in the mid 50s range. This might seem silly to modern cricket fans, but in the context of the era, it was an abberation. This was a time when every other game was a draw, and here he was striking at a relatively fast clip.

Another reason Kanhai gets overlooked by young cricket fans is because his test average is "only 47". People forget that a 45 test average in that era is the equivalent of a 50 average now, and a 55 average in ODI then is the equivalent of a 60 ODI now. You then have to factor in the position he batted (he moved from 3 to 6), and that he was surrounded by legends in both phases of his career.

Basically, you have to look at stats in the context of their era. A 50-53 test average was the top of the tree in the 1990s, but with new rules, gear, training, weaker bowling attacks, minnow bashing, shorter boundries and flatter pitches, a 58-60 plus average is now considered great. Kanhai's stats get him short changed because he's straddling two very different cricket eras, the 1950s generation, and the 1970s superstars. In a way, though an old man in the 70s, he was the first of the 1970s styled WI batsmen; flashy, aggressive, lots of exaggerated strokeplay (some of this would rub off on Lara when coaching him) and with an air of casual cockiness.

Quote:Another reason Kanhai gets overlooked by young cricket fans is because his test average is "only 47". People forget that a 45 test average in that era is the equivalent of a 50 average now, and a 55 average in ODI then is the equivalent of a 60 ODI now. You then have to factor in the position he batted (he moved from 3 to 6), and that he was surrounded by legends in both phases of his career.

don't forget an important stat:  When Kanhai retired he was the 7th highest run scorer in the world!  and he only played 79 matches!!

Since then the amount of matches /cricket being played is incredibly high!

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That is what REAL master blasters do  8)
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tell dem Ketch!

the big Pussy considered himself real lucky to have had Kanhai playing with him...Kanhai was the one coming down the wicket and encouraging him, guiding him thru the attack. 

Ian Chappelle said keeper Rod Marsh after watching how Kanhai was hitting the ball, turned and told him "Ian, this guy still has it"