Spinning mystery

dillinger, is this a nuance when facing Spin ?

LHB vesus RHB at each end playing a Right arm Leg spinner like Bishoo

Quote:IF a Squad is loaded with LHBs, the Leggie is really an Offie.

One would have to examine a Leggie's capture of LHB wickets.

to substantiate your claim.

I will see if I can parse the data to pull out the numbers re: leggies against rhb/lhb. I will see if I can get something together over the next day or so and will post any data I can come up with here.

A quick cursory look at the numbers since 2015 (against top 9 teams).

Leg spinners average 34.11 with a strike rate of 60.83 and an economy rate of 3.36
Right-arm off spinners average 34.82 with a strike rate of 61.55 and an economy rate of 3.39
slow left-arm spinners average 36.41 with a strike rate of 74.34 and an economy rate of 2.93

I will go ahead and see if I can parse the data for numbers vs rhb/lhb, though this may take a while.

Unfortunately, I am unable to gain access to the necessary ball-by-ball data in order to parse out the splits for right-hand and left-hand batsmen against spin.

As a small consolation prize, I was able to pull the numbers for all batsmen against off-spin, leg spin and slow left-arm spin since 2000 (min 5 matches played and 15 wickets taken).



By my count, 22 of Bishoo's 77 wickets have been left-handed batsmen.

[quote author=dillinger10 link=topic=106831.msg719052#msg719052 date=1478387425]
By my count, 22 of Bishoo's 77 wickets have been left-handed batsmen.
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Cool : 22/55 split

So we can conclude Bishoo OFF spin (LHB) account for approx 30% of his haul!

and his Leggies the balance  or 70%

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=106831.msg718378#msg718378 date=1477922158]
Leg spinners might leak more runs - especially as Bishoo still struggles with line/length -
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Check those Splits from dillinger  re : "leaking runs"

Numbers dont lie 

Bowling position by innings for Bishoo:
Opening bowling: 0
First change: 4
Second change: 17
Third change: 11
Fourth change: 2

With Jason Holder as captain:
Opening bowling: 0
First change: 1
Second change: 2
Third change: 6
Fourth change: 2

As captain, Jason Holder has preferred to use his off-spinner before tossing the ball to Bishoo, who has largely been used as third change.

Only because Bishoo was Daren Sammy's son Hero 

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=106831.msg719058#msg719058 date=1478390607]
Only because Bishoo was Daren Sammy's son Hero 
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Bowling position with Sammy as captain:
Opening bowling: 0
First change: 3
Second change: 13
Third change: 4

FWIW, in the 34 innings Bishoo has bowled, 34% of the batsmen have been left-handed and 66% right-handed.

[quote author=dillinger10 link=topic=106831.msg719059#msg719059 date=1478390859]
FWIW, in the 34 innings Bishoo has bowled, 34% of the batsmen have been left-handed
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It is worth a lot ! cause his critics speak of googlies as the be all and end all.

BUT 34 % face him as an Off Spinner !

[quote author=Mail link=topic=106831.msg718334#msg718334 date=1477915470]
Bishoo now needs to develop more variations including a good googley.
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