In those 3 years he mainly coached the Test and ODI teams with very few T20 games and then those T20 players were not really playing for the West Indies and coached elsewhere in franchises etc.
The top bowlers were Badree, Gayle, Benn, Russell and Bravo!
In my view technical improvements are quite clear like length of run, approach to the wicket, crease utilisation, use of the seam, wrist position, point of delivery, follow through etc.
Now one might say I knew all of that when I was 6 but there are times when, those of us who have played at a decent level and quite a lot, can fall into bad practices etc.
Now there is a point whether Curtley knew he was delivering and that is due to the evaluation process.
I always felt that the on field team talk has to come from the Captain/ a member of the team and not any Coaches/ Consultants.
As much I was in opposition with Gibson, everytime he takes over as England bowling Coach, I see plans and improvements.
what I say again is the the HC position is a waste of time and money..a way of reducing the players to a controllable mass by reducing their captain to just an ordinary player, from the main man he used to be in the game.
the HC is there for that reason and no other..the replacement of the captain, his own man, by a board man...answerable to the board only, controlled by the board. that is the point of the HC. and they have given him a lot of money for that even if his shelf life is really short.
the HC and his coaches now occupy too great a role in the game. the captain should be..must be restored.. and the coaches reduced to what they once were..adjuncts who can be used when necessary..not the dominant figure on the sidelines or dressing room
Is it fair to say that no fast bowler improved in the Test arena under Curtly and no fast bowlers were developed over this time either? I think it is. Jerome Taylor was the only seam bowler with a Test average under 35 and even that was higher than his career average. By comparison, Roach, Rampaul, Edwards and Best all had Test match averages below 35 under Ottis.
Purely from a numbers standpoint:
Under Curtly's reign, Windies bowlers had the highest bowling average in Test matches (40.33), third highest in ODIs (36.88) and fourth highest in T20s (25.79).
As a collective unit across all three formats of the game, West Indies bowlers averaged 36.63 - the highest of any Full Member team and almost a full 3 runs higher than Sri Lanka, who were second worst on this list. Even Zimbabwe had a lower collective average (33.76).
For comparison, under Gibson, West Indies bowlers averaged 30.21 across all formats - 5th best. They averaged 34.79 in Tests - 6th best, 30.63 in ODIs - 6th best, and 21.64 in T20s - 4th best.
I think it is fair to say that Ottis had more to work with, but also fair to say he got the most out of his bowlers.
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Ottis had Shannon Gabriel ?
whom at his age could not position and Grip the seam .
You can only work with whom is Capped.
Like the Guyana most Batting debutant CAPS : get dropped after or during a Series
OR Guyana Spin bowlers ....same faith as their batsmen.
poster Mail goes at length to point this out !!
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That is a fair and valid point, and makes an apples-to-apples comparison impossible. In saying that, one of the biggest problems I have seen with the seam bowlers under Curtly's reign is a distinct lack of discipline and game-plan - two areas in which a good bowling coach can make a difference.
The role of a bowling coach has changed rather dramatically over the last decade - especially with the reliance on statistical data and the implementation of performance and video analysis in forming a game-plan. This is an area that Ottis is very strong. Sky Sports did a great feature on him last summer during the Ashes that highlighted this.
Based on this article dating back to 2011, it would appear that Estwick is a big proponent of using video and statistical analysis.
Quote:“Video analysis is perhaps the most important coaching tool in modern cricket and we need to ensure we utilize it widely, especially the at the regional team level,†Estwick pleaded.
“In the old days coaches used to tell players what they are doing wrong but now with video analysis coaches are able to show them and it helps with player buy-in because it’s not a case of them having to trust the word of the coach but they can actually see (on video) where they are going wrong,†Estwick reasoned.
Estwick said it is important for regional teams to have an archive of video recordings of all their players.
“When the players are not performing well they can compare that footage to when they were playing well and identify the problems and put corrective measures in place,†Estwick outlined.
