aND fOR tHOSE wHO lOVE THE AMERICAN dEMOCRATIC pARTY

WHY IN THE HELL DO YOU LOVE THE dEMOCRATS AND THE ALMOST PERFECT DEVILS OBAMA AND THE PERFECT TWIN DEVILS BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON :o :o :o :o ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::

where in the hell you guys, as ordinary people, have a case for having anything but the most complete contempt for.  just take a clear look at what Obama has done to America..and Bill Clinton before him..then Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson ::confused::

JFK was for real on fighting Bankster control of the USA... but he had to be brought kicking, screaming and scratching to support civil rights changes in the USA relative to black people

Clinton is going to win the nomination. This is no longer about the individual personalities of either candidate. What's important is that Liberals from center left to left leaning, form a coalition to win the elections in November. Sanders should then help Clinton win the Presidency, and Clinton should help Sanders win back the Senate. We can ill afford to let the race divide the Liberal camp, and have one side of disgruntled voters stay at home. Lets win the elections first, and we can argue over the details later. We're not going to get anything if we lose. Sanders has managed to push Clinton to the left in the campaign, and his voter base will help to form policy decisions in a Clinton administration. With Sanders, and don't forget Elizabeth Warren, holding important chairmanships on Senate committees, Liberals on both sides will have a successful four years on policy gains both sides want. Not to mention judicial court appointments that will solidify those policy gains. Neither Sanders or Warren would allow any economic decisions be signed by a Clinton Presidency, that they didn't fully support, and they would make sure only social policies they agree with ever reach the Presidents desk for signature. Keep your eyes on the prize boys and girls.

Which Party you love Mapoui : Carnival  ?? 

Beef Pattay ?  ::LOL::

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Which Party you love Mapoui : Carnival  ?? 

Beef Pattay ?  ::LOL::
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you were desperately waiting an' looking for an opportunity to parlay that beef pattay double play eh ::confused::

pheeeeeew!  the way you grab, an' jooomp all over it.

lets hope the beef pattay wins !

The party system is flawed and we all know it.  The real issue is the fact that nobody has any idea of how to change it or where to start or any ideas or even any real sense of it being possible to have any other system then the one that we have now.  I am not surprised, of course, but I am assuming that this will continue forever and the same debates will keep happening.

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The party system is flawed and we all know it.  The real issue is the fact that nobody has any idea of how to change it or where to start or any ideas or even any real sense of it being possible to have any other system then the one that we have now.  I am not surprised, of course, but I am assuming that this will continue forever and the same debates will keep happening.
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you doh have any idea how to change it!!!!  speak for yourself > >

One way to change it is to make the voting process a little more detailed. People should vote on different major policies, so that it may be a fight about issues instead of about who can be the most idiotic.


So, there would be voting tabs/boxes for defense, economy, healthcare, foreign relations, and so on. People would be able to vote for those aspects of a candidate's policy. Of course, they'd then have to use the new voting machines for this kind of voting because paper ballots are just not made for this, but I think this will work well if implemented correctly.

Quote:One way to change it is to make the voting process a little more detailed. People should vote on different major policies, so that it may be a fight about issues instead of about who can be the most idiotic

who is going to initiate such change ::confused::

the people who have the power to do so have come to that power by the very corruption you say should be changed.  it is not in their interest to change it in any way that gores not reflect the development of the corruption that got them where they are..right in the thick of the flows of money, wealth that they can siphon off for themselves.

so who can change it in any way that reflects the democracy that is required for things to go well.  there is only one social group whop shares that interest and t is the mass of the people, ordinary working people and their families.  they are who hold such interest and must achieve such social change if they are to survive

and how can they bring about such change..bu going into the streets shutting down society and removing the establishment, taking the power and actually directly putting in place exactly the way they want society to run and running it themselves.  and in the process removing any possibility of society ever again being run by a minority or rich people in teir limited sectarian interest.

the only power in society capable of achieving such change is the ordinary people in their vast majority, spontaneously organized revolutionizing society in their collective name and survival interest

the american democrat party is a fraud and fake in their liberalism..or else liberalism means opposite to what allyuh think it means.

from what I have seen over the years north american liberalism means extreme right wing policies by another name.  if allyuh clear away the debris' from allyuh eye.. which is liberal 'feel good' propaganda..allyuh will see the horrific, anti people policies enacted by liberalism from day one..from the Kennedys to Lyndon Johnson, to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to Barack Obama....

and in Canada by Trudeau, Chretien, Martin and now Trudeau's son.

if allyuh clear allyuh eyes allyuh will see all the betrayals the democrats have carried out on the people.  and especially in the USA allyuh will see that such as Nixon and the Repug administration, historically and currently in the USA, have actually done more for the people than any dam democrat administration.

just look at the state of america that Obama is leaving..look at the horror Obama created, the absolutely rotten stage he has brought  america to and is walking away from with his pockets full.

look at the condition of black people in america under Obama, what he has done to his own people.  and even so look at what he has done to everybody, all american...extreme concentration of wealth, murder of american citizens without trial, by his decision, legislation by executive order, secret courts for the trial of anyone he decides has committed a crime..a huge police state..open 'lynching' of black people on the streets of america..at least 1 every 24 hours.

I use the term of old 'lynching' for the current  summary police execution of black people allover america because its effect is the same: dead black people on the streets of america every day.

And this has come about not under Eisenhower in the 19-fifities under whose Republican administration the old lynching began to be stopped, nor John F Kennedy, or Lyndon Baines Johnson, or Richard Nixon and Gerald Forde, Ronald Regan, GHW Bush, Billary, and George Bush junior..but under black skunt Obama.

Quote:thats right..under the so called fus' black president Obama lynching of black people disguised as police execution has re-emerged like a nationwide disease in america, far more virulent currently than it was in its previous manifestation, a plague... for the old lynching was a reasonably infrequent happening by comparison, that became a picnic in the american south when they were to roast a black man..maybe one a month, one every 2 weeks ::confused::

I am not aware of the rate of incidence of the old lynchings, but it certainly did not occur like 1 ever 24 hours, that they hung and burnt a black man in the american south back in the heyday of lynching.  the current one-a-day regularity of the murder of black people by police on the streets of america,  is the gift of Obama, by political and presidential behavior and policies, a true mongrel of a human being, who has inherited all the nastiness usually associated with the bad product of the mixing if disparate biological types