America Shutting Down

what Whitney is doing is taking one aspect of the situatuion and making too big a deal of it..which blinds us to the core of the issue.

the capitalists are aware of the entirety of the situation of all they do and the results.  that is why it is happening.  they have planned it that way for the results they are receiving:  even more profits and social control.  the capitalist know that the results will be total economic failure..an outcome they have produced before and are producing again.  they do have a plan for when collapse occurs..just watch

an outcome that Whitney does not factor in is that a huge quantity of QE flowed into to world to buy up land, local and regional corporations, local business and assets.. WITH WORTHLESS US DOLLARS PROPPED UP BY AMERICAN MIGHT AND OIL THAT IS NOW A FEW DOLLARS A BARREL BUT WASNT WHEN QE WAS AT ITS HEIGHT.

when this finally collapse as it has right this minute..american capitalists will end up with HUGE GLOBAL ASSETS WHILE LOCALS HOLD TONS AND TONS OF USELESS USA DOLLARS.

[i]that is what was happening in a big way and it worked unless the local governments knew what was afoot and took precautions to protect local assets

in that way QE was just another scam to bleed the rest of the world[/i]

Wow, those are quite a lot of numbers. The other day, I just read that Walmart is also closing down stores to focus on their big stores. Well, that's what they say, but the reality is that retail stores have a lot of competition with online stores now. I do hope that physical stores can compete with online stores because they have a lot of employees that are about to be out of work. It's a sad reality but that's how the world is changing and we have to adapt to it.

Whitney talks as if all of this is something new and unique in the world.  it is not.  the bankers have always been doing things like this.  they have had a lot of practice and are very sophisticated in orchestrating this so-called global crisis.

orchestrating is the decisive word here.  all that is happening is planned and executed for the exact results we see..a manipulated financial crisis to enhance banker globalist social control.

the real crisis in human affairs at the moment is the final resolution of the terminal battle between working people/ordinary people... and those who own the means of society, and most of the social wealth of humanity.

human technological advance is now so great tat it has brought to a point of qualitative social change that cannot be avoided any longer.  what to do with technology that so revolutionizes human work that it makes most who work redundant in a capitalist sense. 

THERE IS NOT MUCH MORE EMPLOYMENT FOR HUMANITY IN CAPITALIST ENTERPRISES FOR WAGES BY WHICH TO LIVE.  AUTOMATION, ROBOTS ETC ON AN INCREASING SCALE CAN DO CAPITALIST WORK.  NOR MORE NEED FOR PEOPLE, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE

AND AS IS GENERALLY THE CASE IN CAPITALISM WHEN SOMETHING IS NO LONGER REQUIRED IT IS TOSSED ON THE GARBAGE HEAP, GROUND UP AND OR RECYCLED..BURIED AND OUT OF THE WAY.  THAT IS THE CASE OF THE WORKING CLASS AS IT STANDS IN SOCIETY RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.

for the capitalist the question/problem is what to do with the 'surplus' people.  it is an overwhelming and urgent problem for them.  the obverse is just as urgent and overwhelming for us:  our existence is at stake.

the working class ordinary people have one option:  to take over society.  it is that or be dealt with by the capitalist. and we know what his solutions are..or have been... over several hundred years: enslavement and genocide.  that is what looms for the people of the world..the most horrendous resolution of the capitalism system, as it morphs into Brave New World

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Wow, those are quite a lot of numbers. The other day, I just read that Walmart is also closing down stores to focus on their big stores. Well, that's what they say, but the reality is that retail stores have a lot of competition with online stores now. I do hope that physical stores can compete with online stores because they have a lot of employees that are about to be out of work. It's a sad reality but that's how the world is changing and we have to adapt to it.
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that's a suicidal perspective.  there can be no adjustment or adaptation to such change.  you have to eat.  how the hell are you going to accomplish that without work?

you do not understand the day, the stage, do you ::confused::

there are no plans up in 'official society' for your existence past any relative future point!!! 

what the hell are you going to adapt/adjust to: unless by adaptation you mean your readiness and willingness to take over society and run it in the general interest..in which there are human/humane solutions..as opposed to capitalist domination in which there are no solutions relative to our ordinary interest ::confused::

you cannot adapt and adjust to a system that has rendered you useless, killed your job and all employment possibilities..killed everything in your interest, leaving social room only for those who have captured all the wealth ::confused::

what will you do:  go to the forest and forage for wild food:  use forest land to plant food and survive: live off the streets of cities, sleep on pavement, in nooks and crannies, on warm grates in the winter depending on the wealthy to feed you::confused::

in case you have not noticed: ALL THAT HAS BEEN CRIMINALIZED WITH HEAVY PENALTIES, EVERYWHERE, IN ALL CITIES AND TOWNS...  THAT POLICE FORCES ENFORCE WITH GREAT BRUTALITY ON THOSE WHO TRY TO FEED  AND SUCCOR THE HOMELESS:o :o :o :o

YOU CANNOT HIDE MAN.  THEY WILL PINPOINT YOU IN THE THE FOREST ANYWHERE ON THE GLOBE, FROM UP IN ORBIT AND SEND DRONES TO BLOW YOU TO BITS... WHETHER YOU ARE PEACEFUL IN THE FOREST, OR A TERRORIST THREAT IN HIDING.

THE ELITES CONSIDER BOTH TO BE THE SAME..THE POOR AND HOMELESS AND THE TERRORIST. ONE CAN BECOME THE OTHER..THE FIRST INTO THE LATTER FOR THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO.  SO WHY WAIT ::confused:: 

'CRIMINALIZE THEM NOW AND KILL THEM OFF AS SOON AS WE CAN'

THEY WILL ROUND YOU UP IN THE CITIES AND SEND YOU TO EXTERMINATION CAMPS... OR TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF WAYS AND MEANS TO CONTROL THOSE WHO REMAIN..OR ARE ALLOWED TO REMAIN

that is the human crisis..a point of qualitative social change in the struggle between those who own and the rest of us. 
it is the final resolution of that struggle... that began when the capitalist emerged into social control and created the working class of people. that struggle is now being resolved and it can work out in one of 2 ways:  either the people take over and end capitalism forever..or capitalism wins and establishes Brave New world at the expense of the people

Raise the Debt Ceiling !  :-[

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Raise the Debt Ceiling !  :-[
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very droll! :-[ :-[ :-[

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/21st...g-roberts/

Quote:Paul Craig Roberts
(RINF) – In the last years of the 20th century fraud entered US foreign policy in a new way.  On false pretenses Washington dismantled Yugoslavia and Serbia in order to advance an undeclared agenda.  In the 21st century this fraud multiplied many times. Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Libya were destroyed, and Iran and Syria would also have been destroyed if the President of Russia had not prevented it.  Washington is also behind the current destruction of Yemen, and Washington has enabled and financed the Israeli destruction of Palestine.  Additionally, Washington operated militarily within Pakistan without declaring war, murdering many women, children, and village elders under the guise of “combating terrorism.”  Washington’s war crimes rival those of any country in history.
I have documented these crimes in my columns and books (Clarity Press).
Anyone who still believes in the purity of Washington’s foreign policy is a lost soul.
Russia and China now have a strategic alliance that is too strong for Washington. Russia and China will prevent Washington from further encroachments on their security and national interests. Those countries important to Russia and China will be protected by the alliance.  As the world wakes up and sees the evil that the West represents, more countries will seek the protection of Russia and China.

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the miracle you wishing for is the collapse itself.  that is a miracle..the miracle that brings wit it the opportunity for ground up, thorough social change.  it all depends on what the people do when it collapses..or before it collapses..whenever even right now.  its what the people do.

if they sit around and allow the same people to rebuild well then for get it. they are done

but if they get involved and set up a real democratic situation built around the general interest then we are off and running
you must remember that there is no real problem...all the technology, skills and brains are still there, available to society.  it is the system the exploiters put in place that has failed. everything is intact.

1.  take back the currency and spend money as it should be spent..on infrastructure and essential services DEBT FREE.

2.  Kill the central bank and return all financial  activity to the government treasury

3. repudiate all government debt.  wipe them off the books..write them off. they are illegally accrued so if anyone must pay them it must be the politicians who colluded with the private central bank to raise all that debt on the backs of the people.  they took all kinds of bribes for doing that job. take it all back  from them..confiscate their wealth

write off all debt for the people which includes government debt, debt for education and credit cards..even for mortgages..save those in possession of the wealthy and corporations etc.  the money for those must be confiscated from the capitalist.  the people are broke and a decent and obvious way to reflate them is to write off debt and leave them with any assets they have like homes

society must start again and they way to do that is to write off debt, clean up the economy of debt, re-organize banking..bringing banking into public service from the profiteering, depleting and exhausting financial machine that process has become

4. break up all private banks..in fact eliminate them. reducing banking to the necessary and routine factor it is..like oil that is necessary to keep parts of an engine going..banking at routine levels an economy going.  but how ::confused::

a. small banks..either privately owned or government through the treasury.  one for every 1000 people liberally and practically spaced  throughout where people live. 

b.they cash checks and keep deposits of cash and valuables, sell money orders, exchange currencies, sell currencies for travel etc..insurance as well for the same purpose.

c. they may be able to give loans on the way the society decide to handle loans.  there will be the elimination of usury..loans as they are handled currently. no usury and no government spending  by paying interest on its own money/the national currency will eliminate  inflation leaving prices stable for long periods of time meaning value is also stable so salaries would be equal to the tasks workers have to meet in life..food, clothes, education, housing, entertainment, savings.
that being the case loans, credit cards and all such become almost unnecessary..so no need for debt.  any loans would be for huge items requiring only some agreed upon balanced charge that does not feed any exploiting financial class that grows to take over society. so there would be a specific small fee for loans by the hundred..or prolly 1% per year over the duration of the loan..5 years 5%

d.if the treasury runs the banks then there would be service charges at all for banking as the workers of the treasury are already paid for by taxation on the people..  banking charges would then be double taxation.  so by this principle there is prolly no need at all for privately owned banks at all..as banking becomes a simple and necessary service essential for the proper functioning of society..the opposite of what exists now

5. do the same to all insurance companies.  there must be a diffusion of programs of social securities to local authorities under supervision developed by local authorities themselves

6.  kill all stock markets.  only the main street economy is important and real.  stock markets are instruments for gambling with the public resource and wealth, while fleecing the people..all of them including those stupid enough to get involved in such gambling

7. break up all corporate monopolies, especially chemical and media/communications make localities.  kill the incorporation model as a way of organizing business

8. the focus of all economic activity... that is the production of food, and the general where-with-all of life must be produced locally to the greatest extent possible, achievable.  there must be a strong inter-relationship between local hinterland and the towns and cities it serves to produce strong general regional development withing the most cost effective frame work
all trade beyond local hinterlands must be of necessities that cannot be made locally/regionally, or nationally.

there is of course much more to this.....

but the problem is an oligarchy at the top organized society for exploiting it in the ways society is now run and functions.  that is what has failed because of the contradictions inherent in systems exploitation of the people.  in fact inherent in all social formation.  things change due to the development of knowledge and skills relevant to what we must do in order to survive. 

old ways become obsolete but the old ways carry a whole lot of people and how they make their living.  yet those old way must be replaced by the new and better and when those new ways and old ways clash in exploitative society they are accompanied by the hostilities developed over the years by exploitation of the people..by divide and rule and the hatred between social classes..between those who have and those whom they steal it form by stealing their labor in employment for low wages, in high prices they have to pay for everything to live

so because of the hostility that is endemic and routine in exploitative society bloodshed in changing it is guaranteed.  they call it social revolution.  but such revolution takes place all the time but when it is of exploitation social war is guaranteed.  democratic society will also require change as it goes. 

but a true democracy does not rely on social division into hostile and opposed classes by sectarian interest existentially.  that is the capitalist way..capitalist Dystopia or dysfunctional society..which is what we now live.  and at future points in a real democracy which does not produce hostile social division all social change would be negotiated, difficult may be but not hostile
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Seems you've thought a lot about this! Glad to see someone with a VERY specific plan of attack for fixing the situation. You must be in politics. If not, why not? Regardless, I do forsee another collapse in our near future. Not that I'm a psychic, but rather that I'm expecting it will happen soon rather than it not happening.

Anway, Rise from the ashes I suppose!

Is America shutting down? No, I don't think so. The complaint from many of these stores which are downsizing is that they are unable to compete with online shopping giants like Amazon.
Don't believe these Corporations which have been around for many years and have survived through many challenging periods, will easily go out of business without a fight. As they have done before, they will go back to the drawing board and rebound to again hold their pride of place; they have done it before and will do it again.
People will be losing jobs through the downsizing of these companies, however, there are numerous Jobs opening up via the work from home or telecommuting opportunities. Businesses  are gravitating to online service which require less staff and is able to garner wider customer base.
It's evident that the there is being a renaissance in the way business is being conducted in America economy. I believe the adaption and adjust will happen rapidly and it will be business as usual once more.

Aye aye aye :/


Maybe we should all sign up for the Nasa mission to the moon and try to get a headstart with a new way of life.


New planet, new life, new culture, na'am saying? ;P Just joshing, but it's a little sad that a good alternative seems to be to jump ship. This is a hot mess and I just hope people nowadays can figure out how to garden incase stuff hits the fan and most people are left jobless in a new depression with nothing to eat. Hope you like potatoes!