[quote author=dillinger10 link=topic=97867.msg639447#msg639447 date=1433195057]
I dug around a little deeper and was able to manually find some numbers regarding byes conceded. Ramdin has conceded 525 byes in 67 matches - an average of 7.8 byes per game. For comparison, Ridley Jacobs averaged 4.6 byes per match, Junior Murray 5.33, Carlton Baugh 7.38, Jeffrey Dujon 9.5 and Deryck Murray 10.5.
Paul Downton has the lowest number of byes per Test at 2.8. Others in the top 5 include Dave Richardson 3.5, Khaled Mashud 3.5, Ian Smith 4.1 and Adam Parore 4.3.
Searching is messy but if there are any keepers you want me to check out, let me know and I will manually run a search.
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Quote:He's a stylish batsman, and I like watching him when he gets going, but he's not good enough with the bat.
that is a puzzle that is not so simple as he is not good enough. Ramdin has 4 test tons one or of which have been classy.
Stylish I call it dextrous with his bat..fluency. why has his obvious skills with the bat not translated into a higher average..30-35 which would be just fine ::confused::
but I figure it could be even more because he can really bat in terms of skills.
it must be in his head..psyche...something there that prevents him from setting record. had he a mind like Shive he would have really done great in my mind. its not ability with Ramdin. he has all he needs and then some.
but I am not going to Dowrich just like that..casting aside Ramdin. Dowrich will have to prove he is indeed better than Ramdin to replace him...and by some too. that is my contention..no lateral movement necessary. and if he ..or wee..cant prove that then Dowrich will have to wait until Ramdin retires..or his play declines and he must be dropped...while Dowrich devastates dung heap.
that's what Dowrich has to do..devastate dung heap to replace Ramdin. or score and get into the team as batsman. given that Ramdin is in the team and wont be dropped Chase was the player to pik perhaps, not Dowrich unless he will be played as a batsman
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=97867.msg639452#msg639452 date=1433199203]
check out Gerry Alexander and Jackie Hendricks
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Alexander conceded 239 byes in 25 matches for an average of 9.56 per Test. Jackie Hendriks conceded 197 byes in 20 matches for an average of 9.85 per Test.
In 506 matches, West Indies wicket-keepers have yielded 4241 byes for an average of 8.38 per Test. For comparison, Zimbabwe have averaged 5.05 per Test, Bangladesh 5.24, New Zealand 5.87, Sri Lanka 6.71, South Africa 7.47, England and Australia average 7.72. Pakistan 7.76 and India 8.09.
Ramdin has averaged 7.8 byes per game in his career. Since his debut, Zimbabwe wicket-keepers as a collective whole have conceded 5.27 byes per game, New Zealand 5.75, South Africa 6.04, Bangladesh 6.53, Sri Lanka 7.09, Pakistan 7.61 - all lower than Ramdin. Australia's wicket-keepers have allowed 8.46 byes per game, Australia are at 8.46 and England keepers bring up the rear with 9.05 byes.
Wicket-keepers in the 2010's have averaged 34.43 runs per game. This is a big jump from the 1980s when wicket-keepers averaged 23.63. Ramdin's average since January 1, 2010 is 32.34 - so just about average with the bat.
In his first 42 Tests, Ramdin averaged 22.80, extremely poor by today's standards, and so it wasn't surprising that he was replaced by Carlton Baugh. Unfortunately, his numbers were even worse, scoring just 414 runs in 26 innings at an average of 17.25.
Since his recall in May 2012, Ramdin has averaged 34.29 with 5 fifties and 3 centuries in 40 innings. He had scored just 1 century and 8 fifties in his first 73 innings.
Decade-wise batting averages for wicket-keepers in Tests:
As we can see, teams are now placing more of an emphasis on wicket-keepers that can bat. In the 1990s, wicket-keepers scored 30 centuries between them. In the 2000s, this number more than doubled to 65. So far this decade, wicket-keepers have already hit 40 centuries and are on pace to smash those numbers from the 2000s. Incredibly, those 40 centuries are six more than the combined total from the 1950-1979.
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=97867.msg639460#msg639460 date=1433208108]
have you ever heard of south african test by the name of dennis lindsay ::confused::
also Jackie Hendricks went through some heavy Oz totals in 1968 without conceding extras...
I figured he was much lower than what you discover
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Lindsay was mighty impressive. An average of 42.42 throughout the 1960s when the average wicket-keeper scored just 23. The aforementioned Gerry Alexander's average was 42.28. Jim Parks and Farokh Engineer - both prolific run scorers in their own right - averaged 32 and 28 runs each respectively. Lindsay conceded just 45 byes in 19 matches, an average of 2.36. Good gloveman, too.
those are my 2 tops keepers of all time Lindsay and Alexander..although Hendricks was a whizz against spin.
and of course we could not like Lindsay because he was a bad Saffie. but man was he ever good..prolly better than Alexander. alexander was a blinder to pace. he held the world record for dismissals before Murray broke it.
but as a keeper Murray was the least of them all. long career but not a top glove man..just a lucky glove man and the right man's son ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::
but when Alexander did not have the captaincy to weigh him down he just scored man..and scored and scored. the OZ could not get him out cheaply
Parks used to beat west indian pace..cuff it all over the place...until Hall and Griff became too good. west indians rated him because he could deal with the pace.
Engineer was a lil dude with an attacking bat. India was not all that strong in those days be he could get away on teams and score...attacking, good runs.
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=97867.msg639464#msg639464 date=1433210251]
those are my 2 tops keepers of all time Lindsay and Alexander..although Hendricks was a whizz against spin.
and of course we could not like Lindsay because he was a bad Saffie. but man was he ever good..prolly better than Alexander. alexander was a blinder to pace. he held the world record for dismissals before Murray broke it.
but as a keeper Murray was the least of them all. long career but not a top glove man..just a lucky glove man and the right man's son ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::
but when Alexander did not have the captaincy to weigh him down he just scored man..and scored and scored. the OZ could not get him out cheaply
Lindsay used to score big tons.
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You weren't kidding about Alexander's numbers being so much better when not weighed down by the captaincy. 22.19 average when captaining the side and 45.00 when not.
