Saints, Mahatmas, and Dalai Lamas...

Snoopster · 02-18-2015, 02:50 PM · 1 person reading this discussion

#31
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95937.msg619938#msg619938 date=1424293521]
yes I have seen this before but never got into it seriously.  what I like from freud is his development of his ideas on emotional trauma as a major factor in life.  that makes a lot of sense to me.

mother teresa to me was a seriously sick woman, like the seriously sick system that used her to kill people by the thousands.

mother teresa is like the wild maniac killers the CIA recruits out of the jails, trains them up, make them learn to wash regularly, dress them and send then around the world to kill by the thousands with not even a lick of conscience.

western elites have made heroes of some of these vicious killers  { Clint Eastwood's Sniper is one of such}..even presidents who all were as psychopath as any lunatic killer taken off  the streets.  such was a man like Truman, even Roosevelt, another real killer... along with obvious manics Bush and Cheney and Bill Clinton, and the absolute hypocrite Obama.

there is no doubt in my mind at all that they saw mother teresa for what she was, a traumatized sadistic killer, become fanatic by religion and used her all along the way, made a hero of a perfect psychopathic killer .  that is what western elitism do all the time in their war against humanity.  they are always on the look out for such people..in all walks of life.  when they find them they use them in whatever way possible to further their murderous games.

to know trauma is to understand people like Ghandi, Mother Teresa, the Lama fella.  I consider Freuds work in this area a major contribution.

Trauma and resulting emotional dysfunction is a serious factor in global society.  we are all affected to some greater or lesser degree by emotional trauma..from original collective source and subsequently in social reality from our lack of knowledge of and acknowledgement of the original trauma

Freud wrote an important book titled Moses and Monotheism which is a major exploration of collective emotional trauma  as historical factor relative to Jews.  check it out if you have the time

for Freud's quote above.. which does contain much truth as far as I can tell, the requirements of human survival will be put that conception into full perspective and context should the revolution develop and actualize. 

the requirements for human survival demands developed mature humanity, free of emotion disfigurement as described by Freud above.  humanity as described by Freud above cannot survive in nature...which is why the very faith that flows out of that conception has brought us to our knees.

humanity must grow up, mature on a basis of acceptance of human truth of existence, acceptance of our reality, conditions of existence and live accordingly... or die.  that to my mind is a confrontation of what Freud conceptualizes and reality..the requirements for human survival.  and if some of use have come to see and accept such truth, then all humans can.  the revolution if it succeeds would set up the social conditions that would put an end to the social conditions that traumatize and demand faith in the unreal as means of survival...which in fact makes more insanity not sanity..faith makes us more crazy not less

but there is more to collective human trauma than Freud saw...Freud saw the trauma but not the full cause.  Freud saw trauma as cause as emanating only from social reality.  but there were supra human environmental events during human time that also caused species trauma that is still with us and must be resolved as well.  in fact the first trauma was environmental, and all social trauma flows from that original cause

only the revolution that eliminates minority social control can save humanity.. minority control requires the hiding of truth and the conditioning of the human species by lies, deepening the very situation described by Freud above.  in fact we are still at this stage only as a result of the domination of exploitative society which requires humanity to be stupid and so, capable of minority control. 

post haste, urgently, humanity must end exploitative society, create a democracy on majority social control, substitute the survival of society itself as the point and purpose of labour, of work, not minority accumulation of profit.  we do this  and we give ourselves the essential chance to deal with our truth, correct and clean up ourselves make for ourselves a chance in the universe
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Your argument against sick people doesn't jibe with your claim that no one is good and the world doesn't need good people. Since you're against goodness then why do you object to people being killed?  ::confused::

#32
the original truma that terrorized humanity and left us all with a trauma the christians called original sin I believe is the upheaval of the earth during early times due to movement of the planets in the solar system..as argued my Emmanuel Velikovsky and developed by the scientists of the Electric Universe conception of the astronomical history of humanity

the Electric Universe EU has a problem of chronology but they will resolve that in time I am certain..i.e when to place these cataclysmic events in historical time. but that the orbits of the planets we see currently was not always the case and that Mars, Saturn and Venus were once in synchronous orbits and one could look into the sky and see then all lined straight, one behind the other, smallest Mars to the Largest Saturn seems true. all the evidence so far supports this conception.

then the planets moved and all hell broke loose on earth.  total upheaval.  as the planets approached each other they exchanged electrical discharges that scarred Mars for example the closest to earth.  all evidence gather so far from the Martian surface appears to corroborate this conception of events.  early humanity appears to have gone through this event.  myth and artifact again corroborate this conception.

so we have a cause of the likely original human trauma..the mother of all human trauma so far..from an event that humans appear to be irresistibly drawn to recreate every so often by war, war and more wars...now courting a war to end all wars ..armageddon

#33
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95937.msg619948#msg619948 date=1424296191]
the original truma that terrorized humanity and left us all with a trauma the christians called original sin I believe is the upheaval of the earth during early times due to movement of the planets in the solar system..as argued my Emmanuel Velikovsky and developed by the scientists of the Electric Universe conception of the astronomical history of humanity

the Electric Universe EU has a problem of chronology but they will resolve that in time I am certain..i.e when to place these cataclysmic events in historical time. but that the orbits of the planets we see currently was not always the case and that Mars, Saturn and Venus were once in synchronous orbits and one could look into the sky and see then all lined straight, one behind the other, smallest Mars to the Largest Saturn seems true. all the evidence so far supports this conception.

then the planets moved and all hell broke loose on earth.  total upheaval.  as the planets approached each other they exchanged electrical discharges that scarred Mars for example the closest to earth.  all evidence gather so far from the Martian surface appears to corroborate this conception of events.  early humanity appears to have gone through this event.  myth and artifact again corroborate this conception.

so we have a cause of the likely original human trauma..the mother of all human trauma so far..from an event that humans appear to be irresistibly drawn to recreate every so often by war, war and more wars...now courting a war to end all wars ..armageddon
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That doesn't answer my question. You stand firmly against goodness and declare that the world don't need it, so why do you object to people being killed? On one hand you say that Hitler was a hero who did good for his country and then on the other that Mother Teresa was a sick person who was used to kill people. Hitler was the same thing, somebody used to kill, so what makes him a hero and Mother Teresa sick?

Why do you object to mass murder and suffering?

Without goodness, that's how life should be.

#34
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95937.msg619930#msg619930 date=1424291171]
there are no good phucking people in the world..nor does the world need any good people.

which is how cone 80 persons owns more in the world than the lowest 4 billion.
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Snoopay seem to "likes"  what you write but I cannot unnastan a phuck !  ::LOL::

First of all there are good people in this world !

Second of  all IF I have a thousand $$ and my neighbour has a million $$$ :

I have F-A-I-T-H that the Almighty gives me in odda ways and only the $$$ I need.

next door has all kinda health issues and wayward children...

I am blessed with great health and model kids !

The Fact that your ole skunt is still alive with assets and an internet subscription :

while yuh frens et al are dead ....tells me you are an INGRATE  Tongue

Believe  in your blessings and you will not be bitter !  Wink

#36
Quote:Your argument against sick people doesn't jibe with your claim that no one is good and the world doesn't need good people. Since you're against goodness then why do you object to people being killed?

I have not argued against sick people...

there are no good people because good is not a reality.  the conception good comes out of idealistic and abstract philosophical creation that has no bearing on reality. life is a process in which facility in it, alone determines our survival.  out individual and collective nature is out of that, and relative to that alone

so good and bad as terms relative t nature does not exist and we should drop them.  that is what I am saying.  facility is all we need in nature, something works or it does not.  it works to an extent and ceases to be useful or is overtaken by something more relevant and useful.  so usefulness, functional, improvement or their opposites are all relevant terns in the process of life.  in reference to the useful and the useless we can substitute good or bad but they are inefficient terms that carry in them qualitative content that lends themselves to faith/belief which is not required at all. 

we can save good and bad for performance in the arts and crafts where they sit more useful than useless.  it dos not appear to make sense to use  such terms referring to humans.  humans are disciplined by nature..survival and we all try to survive.  facility of one level or another determines how well we do.  and society theoretically is organized to facilitate everyone with opportunity and chance to learn how to survive

so people do not need to be good

#37
[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95937.msg619952#msg619952 date=1424296834]
Snoopay seem to "likes"  what you write but I cannot unnastan a phuck !  ::LOL::

First of all there are good people in this world !

Second of  all IF I have a thousand $$ and my neighbour has a million $$$ :

I have F-A-I-T-H that the Almighty gives me in odda ways and only the $$$ I need.

next door has all kinda health issues and wayward children...

I am blessed with great health and model kids !

The Fact that your ole skunt is still alive with assets and an internet subscription :

while yuh frens et al are dead ....tells me you are an INGRATE  Tongue

Believe  in your blessings and you will not be bitter !  Wink
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oh guuuuuuude.  what is dat ::confused::

  I hope your millionaire neighbor is not Judy Anglo Saxon and decides to ethnic cleanse your hood. unhealthy he may be or not his million...Billions ::confused:: will render your thousand useless for anything at all.  he may be ded in the mawnin' but take care of you tonite ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::
he is the law...Judy Ango Saxon.  his million made it so
;D ;D ;D ;D

#38
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95937.msg619956#msg619956 date=1424297293]
I have not argued against sick people...

there are no good people because good is not a reality.  the conception good comes out of idealistic and abstract philosophical creation that has no bearing on reality. life is a process in which facility in it, alone determines our survival.  out individual and collective nature is out of that, and relative to that alone

so good and bad as terms relative t nature does not exist and we should drop them.  that is what I am saying.  facility is all we need in nature, something works or it does not.  it works to an extent and ceases to be useful or is overtaken by something more relevant and useful.  so usefulness, functional, improvement or their opposites are all relevant terns in the process of life.  in reference to the useful and the useless we can substitute good or bad but they are inefficient terms that carry in them qualitative content that lends themselves to faith/belief which is not required at all. 

we can save good and bad for performance in the arts and crafts where they sit more useful than useless.  it dos not appear to make sense to use  such terms referring to humans.  humans are disciplined by nature..survival and we all try to survive.  facility of one level or another determines how well we do.  and society theoretically is organized to facilitate everyone with opportunity and chance to learn how to survive

so people do not need to be good
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Okay, so your insistence that there's no good and no need for it doesn't jibe with your complaints about killings and suffering. If you or anybody feels like thrill killing or raping or stealing, then why shouldn't they do it? Why isn't that just to you?

#39
mann!  I have werk to do and I let allyuh take me away >Sad >Sad >Sad >Sad

#40
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95937.msg619957#msg619957 date=1424297603]

Billions will render your thousand useless for anything at all.

he may be ded in the mawnin' but take care of you tonite

he is the law...Judy Ango Saxon.  his million made it so
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spoken like a man of zero F-A-I-T-H  and Ungrateful for his life and existence !  Tongue

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