[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95320.msg614050#msg614050 date=1422048007]
how did the first people approach religion..or the people who created religion? whaty frame of reference did they use ::confused::
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Adam and Eve, had their own conversation with God to create their own big bang which produced Kane and Abel! ::LOL::
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95320.msg614051#msg614051 date=1422048215]
if god is in everything and is everywhere then all frames are misleading. one can approach god without limit, anytime, anywhere
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you are CORRECT!!!!!!
thats what the leaders of religions don't want you to know! they want you to go thru them....
i believe that religion will pass as humanity gets over its basic internal contradiction and survives destruction by its own hand. resulting human success and confidence will lead to less and leas need of existential palliatives for survival. indeed the people will no longer need religious opium to live proving Marx ultimately wrong
yet in the social democracy I envisage that replaces capitalism social freedom would be real and in such a society people would be free to deal with religion as I have suggested...get into it, strip away the nonsense and get to cores, reform and keep or jettison as they see fit..to keep and continue to develop religion if they determine that they need religion... that the religion they would be developing is true and useful
it would be entirely up to the people. my opinion is that they would need less and less, based on the what I presented as evidence. I could be wrong. but anyway freedom to look honestly, freely, without bias and coercion and to choose as they see fit... is the deal