Islam cannot be equated with Barbarism.

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=94959.msg610066#msg610066 date=1421099357]
Islam is not only a religion; it is also an enormous culture, one of the greatest on Earth,

which has enriched our humanity with some of the paramount scientific and architectural

achievements, and with countless discoveries in the field of medicine.

Muslims have written stunning poetry, and composed beautiful music.

But above all, they developed some of the earliest social structures in the world,

including enormous public hospitals and the first universities on earth,

like The University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco.
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Lesson # 1....for the uninitiated !

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=94925.msg610153#msg610153 date=1421108738]
then slowly "reform" you and make you up in its image. You cant fight this.

They will break you.

In the eyes of your enemy, inside every muslim is a consumer waiting to get out.

The free market's coming to Mecca.
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They were wrong from the 10th Century and still wrong in the 21st !

No crusading christian army can break the will and the iman (faith) of a Muslim.

The only thing in Mecca you can count on is the 2 Pilgrimages annually.

eid ul Adha (the sacrifice and completion of the 5th pillar of 5 the Hajj ) and the Umrah !

the 30 days Fast with no food or water is not for fickle minded Consumerism 

             

Members on this Forum has attempted the Fast during Summer :

Muslims are the only ones whom can starve for 17 hours straight !

No Food , No Water for 30 days.

Break who spirit , TD  :-\

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=94925.msg610153#msg610153 date=1421108738]
Ahh, good ole Islamophobia. From the people who brought you communists in the cupboards, the Yellow Menance, Parasitic Jews, Lazy Africans and Hindu Dogs. They were wrong the last five times, but this time...this time they're right, baby. Them ragheads out to get ya! All 2 billion of them!

I love watching western secular democracies diss Third World Islamists. It's like watching General Custer pissing on Apaches for burning down churches. What's your problem, Apaches? Why you so dumb, primitive and Jesus hating? Get back in your reservation and act civilized. Like us.

It's telling that the two examples of "barbarism" in this thread are a monarchy which would have been overthrown in the early 1900s were it not for the US and Britain (who continually suppress "democracy" in the nation), and another which just endured two coups (which resulted in a US puppet and then an Israeli one), all against a decade's long backdrop of Western support toward the Muslim Brotherhood.

It's so hypocritical. You've got people dissing Al-Qaeda (YOU DAMN CRAZY MUSLIMS!), but ignoring that we're arming them to "liberate" places like Yugoslavia and Kosovo (THANKS TERRORISTS! HERE'S SOME MORE GUNS!).

The sad thing is, muslims are going to have to put up with about another 60 years of pseudo-racist Islam bashing. The enemy is too strong. It has too many mouths. It will rape your countries, set you back a hundred years, create the very monsters it pretends to despise, spend decades "righteously" killing off its own creations, and then slowly "reform" you and make you up in its image. You cant fight this. They will break you. In the eyes of your enemy, inside every muslim is a consumer waiting to get out. The free market's coming to Mecca. You can keep your faith, so long as you keep Allah under the bed, and your credit card on your forehead.

And when we're done with you, we're coming for central Africa.

Yeah baby.

The only "Islam bashers" I don't view with skepticism are muslims feminists. They have no creepy ulterior motives or hypocracies in their closets.
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This is the greatest concentration of non-sense I've read since Ketchim's last post. ::LOL::

And the author of this concentrated non-sense can freely write all this babble in the comfort and security of Western secular values, traditions and laws.  Were he to live in one of those backward Islamic theocracies he so loves to defend, he wouldn't even be allowed to finish the first sentence without 40 lashes and the loss of at least 1 digit.

But carry on.  Defend these religious fascists and by necessary implication undermine the very values that allow you to write and express your thoughts and ideas so freely.

Oh hard headed one , go and read and educate self : 

When you read the memoirs of Edward Said, or talk to old men and women in East Jerusalem,

its clear that the great part of Palestinian society used to be absolutely secular and moderate.

It cared about life, culture, and even fashion, more than about religious dogmas.

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And the author of this concentrated non-sense can freely write all this babble in the comfort and security of Western secular values, traditions and laws. 
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Go to the mountain top and spew that crap you just wrote :  :

From a peaceful and creative civilization, that used to lean towards socialism,
the Muslim nations and Islam itself, found itself to be suddenly derailed, tricked,

outmaneuvered, infiltrated by foreign religious and ideological implants, and transformed

by the Western ideologues and propagandists into one ‘tremendous threat’;

into the pinnacle and symbol of terrorism and intolerance.
The situation has been thoroughly grotesque, but nobody is really laughing –
too many people have died as a result; too much has been destroyed!

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=94925.msg610300#msg610300 date=1421172469]
Oh hard headed one , go and read and educate self : 

When you read the memoirs of Edward Said, or talk to old men and women in East Jerusalem,

its clear that the great part of Palestinian society used to be absolutely secular and moderate.

It cared about life, culture, and even fashion, more than about religious dogmas.
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Then go back to those secular values!  What has terrorism and fascists Islam done for the Palestinian people?  Absofackinglutely nothing.

Remember, in that conflict God is on the side of both peoples.  That is the why it is unsolvable.  Mr. God promised both peoples the same land.  They each have a divine right to it and the divine benefactor seems quite indifferent to both claims since he/she/it is unwilling to reveal itself and arbitrate same.

Maybe, just maybe, the adoption of secular values and the corresponding discarding of Islamic fascists values by the Palestinian peoples will bring about a State of their own and the chance to live freely and with dignity.

Mohamed from the Desert and  Joseph Smith founder of the Mormons from the Utah wilderness.

What was God thinking?  Both believed in Polygamy

[quote author=Kwami link=topic=94925.msg610359#msg610359 date=1421177014]
Mohamed from the Desert and  Joseph Smith founder of the Mormons from the Utah wilderness.
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Joseph Smith was convicted by a court of Fraud.  Need we say more.