Africa's economic growth

Quote:since what the west did

"Is doing", not "did". France has a private army in Mali right now, and the UK and US have about 20 puppet dictators spread across Africa.

Quote:Some of the leaders attend the best universities, but they are corrupt, not because of the west, but because of unadulterated greed.

These dictators are well educated in the same sense that George "Harvard" Bush was well educated.

And they are not "corrupt because they are in power". They are 1) put in power because they are corrupt, 2) attain power because megalomaniacs are strong and good at beating competition.

I think, generally, anyone attracted to ruling is the worst person for the job. The best people for leadership don't seem to possess the desire to rule.

Quote:why don't you advise them to get smart,

I wouldn't know how. Sometimes I think that all this killing and bloodshed and exploitation might be a kind of necessary and unavoidable process.

Look at India. India was ruled by a bunch of different feudal Kings and warlords. The British came and basically unfied the country. In the process they killed about 2 billion Indians. They did more damage than the Kings and warlords did, but they neverthess created some kind of new nation state. They caused "progress". The "progress" that the British brought to India wasn't really progress - all those gains were off-set by the immense loss of life - but it nevertheless laid a foundation for a future India that might, hopefully, be "better" and might, hopefully, "benefit" everyone.

Rather than wasting all those lifes, wouldn't it have been better for India if it, in the 1500s, simply created some kind of system or nationstate to replace the Kings and noblemen who ruled the provinces? But how do you organise this? You can't. Humans are too dumb, disorganised, entrenched and the task is too complicated. And historically, anyone who tries gets killed anyway.

Maybe Africa is the same way. Maybe the best thing to do is just let yourself get raped, let the old Empires do what they want, let all the local religious and tribal factions kill each other till they're tired, bear with the poverty, and just slowly slowly hope for very slow reforms.

Maybe African countries, like India, should just let the West make the continent up in the image they desire. Then play things slow and let the West's power in Africa collapse naturally on its own. 

There's a scientist called Immanuel Wallerstein who used to write about this kind of thing. He started a field called World Systems Theory, which basically attempted to predict the evolution of nations. He predicted alot of what would happen (has happened) in Africa and the Middle East. In regards to Africa, he saw the continent becoming First World in about 250 years. He said some of its nations would become small superpowers, after the US and China themselves decreased in power. From that point onwards, the globe is run by several mini superpowers, some in Latin America, some in Africa, some in Europe, some in Asia. Each struggles with debt, unemployment, oil, wealth gaps and so on, at which point we jump from techno-capitalism to something else, like we jumped from feudalism to mercantile capitalism.

Wallerstein was just theorising, but that nevertheless seems to be how history cyclically plays out. Aside from aliens or Gods coming down and teaching us to stop being dumbasses, we seem to just proceed clumsily from A to B . Our destinations are generally good, we just can't get there without doing a lot of unnecessary collateral damage.

Quote:Maybe African countries, like India, should just let the West make the continent up in the image they desire. Then play things slow and let the West's power in Africa collapse naturally on its own.

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[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=94508.msg604676#msg604676 date=1418412652]
lol.

It's far more crazy. Look at Sudan, for example. A massively wealthy country in terms of oil, and once the largest nation in Africa. How do the West get that oil? Split the country into a North and South, like you did Vietnam, Ireland, Korea, India etc etc, and tell both halves they're better off seperated. Even better, arm them to fight each other. If the north or south vote for a decent leader, have him die in a mysterious helicopter crash. When they vote for their next guy, have him couped and replaced, preferably with the help of the extremist, Islamic factions you're arming. Not working? Give them factions some more guns and money. Oh crap, those factions trying to take over countries for themselves? Switch sides and arm the government in exchange for more resource rights. Government winning? Arm the muslims. Not chaotic enough? Lather, rinse, repeat.

Trinidaddy cracks me up!
He wrote, " ...  Give them factions some more guns and money." That has happened since oil and the modern engine have gone together. Have there been many countries who can export oil that were not considered to be a global threat to the US until that country proves loyal to the interests of these United States?

[quote author=The Captain link=topic=94508.msg604684#msg604684 date=1418416739]
so did Burnham and wan trickie woman
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all west indian women yuh mean...allah dem.  money and things is deh soul

[quote author=The Captain link=topic=94508.msg604572#msg604572 date=1418389981]
Oil slide threatens Africa's economic growth
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Uh uh...

it's idolatry and violence that impedes Africa's economic growth.

[quote author=pattycake link=topic=94508.msg604971#msg604971 date=1418504011]
Uh uh...

it's idolatry and violence that impedes Africa's economic growth.
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thats not right..far from right..makes no sense..is not relevant, inconsistent with reality.

does any nation profit from their african realtionship..which one, how long have they been profiting,  what is the nature and magnitude of their profit, the nature of the relationship that produces the profit etc etc etc. 

you wud have to make that analysis of the country that profits off africa relative with every african country..or if you find that all africa is the same relative to that country say how and why....

and when you have done that tell us why it is no the country that benefits from dealing with africa and they way they do business that is the problem rather than the causes you list

please note that you may consider that that country that may be causing african problems is a culture really called western culture that is shared led and dominated by England/USA..but also includes France, Italy, Germany, Canada, Portugal, Spain, Belgium and Israhell..and that relative to africa all these can be considered ONE country

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=94508.msg605117#msg605117 date=1418593109]
thats not right..far from right..makes no sense..is not relevant, inconsistent with reality.

does any nation profit from their african realtionship..which one, how long have they been profiting,  what is the nature and magnitude of their profit, the nature of the relationship that produces the profit etc etc etc. 

you wud have to make that analysis of the country that profits off africa relative with every african country..or if you find that all africa is the same relative to that country say how and why....

and when you have done that tell us why it is no the country that benefits from dealing with africa and they way they do business that is the problem rather than the causes you list

please not that you may consider that that country that may be causing african prolem is a culture really called western culture that is shared by England/USA, France, Italy, Germany, Canada, Portugal, Spain, Belgium and Israhell..and that relative to africa all these can be considered ONE country
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Africa is too dependent on idolatry to move on independently and compete in the world economy. The world economy has to support Africa while it bullies itself for idolatry. It's idolatry and violence that impedes Africa and have been for all of this time.

Okay, now take African leaders, they live on idolatry and hog up the country's wealth to themselves, leaving their people to starve and scavenge each other to survive. Such as with Mobutu Sese Seko. President of the Republic of the Congo from 65' to 97'



[size=14pt]He ran off with 5 billion dollars and left his country to starve.[/size]

Okay, and that money wasn't even his to run off with. The lion's share of it was monies given from other countries to help them out and the rest of it the monies of the Congo people. Not a cent of that money was his. He lived worshipped as a god by the people he left to starve and kill each other. Okay, this has been going in Africa for thousands of years and counting. All of the leaders are brutal and greedy for idolatry and money. They do nothing for their populace and outside countries have to take care of them while one man and his henchmen live as gods. Okay, now you can write all that off on oil prices if you want, but oil has nothing to do with the way they are. It's idolatry and violence that's keeping the dark continent down.

No country can function on money alone. It needs humanity also.

Quote: idolatry

what do you mean by idolatry! ::confused:: ::confused::

There will never be economic growth there  until all the white people are driven out of Africa

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=94508.msg605129#msg605129 date=1418598324]
what do you mean by idolatry! ::confused:: ::confused::
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Butt kissing Map.

Kissing somebody's butt. You treat somebody like royalty and they treat you like shit.

That's what idolatry is.