1st ODI: India v West Indies at Kochi, Oct 8, 2014

Shiv has NO history of Injuries :

He oulast all the young men : wheel and come again.

An Injustice was done to him and Clive was suposed to correct it : he did not.

Shameful !  >

Currently competing in a T20 tourney with his fellow Guyanese !

                                       

If Shiv was unfit and showing major signs of ageing, if he was not scoring runs then ok.

It really is a no brainer supported by Lloyd who I felt would be objective.

However Shiv would have had to have opened in my view but alas one has to move on as he will  ot be featured in ODIs ever again.

Yeah so bizarre. Why are these failed players given chances OVER and OVER again? Especially Samuels? I just don't get it.

Coulda easily got Blackwood and Shiv in there.

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=92903.msg590217#msg590217 date=1411580975]
Avatar scrapped : No Shiv in ODI leading up to WC : no Lloyd support from me.

As Rev correctly points out a grey hair Kanhai played the Inaugural WC '75

This Restraint of Trade must CEASE !
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Agreed !!!

[quote author=Goog Lee link=topic=92903.msg590222#msg590222 date=1411581171]

wait, don't tell me the big cat not making a difference  ::LOL:: ::LOL::
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Obviously ....... the more things change ... more they remain the same !! ::yawn::

[quote author=Kyle link=topic=92903.msg590296#msg590296 date=1411615587]
Yeah so bizarre. Why are these failed players given chances OVER and OVER again? Especially Samuels? I just don't get it.

Coulda easily got Blackwood and Shiv in there.
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No idea why the new selectors have gone with Smith, Sammy & Elegance !!! ... no idea ... none whatsoever !!!! :-[

Quote:Dwayne Bravo (Captain)
Darren Bravo
Jason Holder
Leon Johnson
Sunil Narine
Kieron Pollard
Denesh Ramdin
Ravi Rampaul
Kemar Roach
Andre Russell
Darren Sammy
Marlon Samuels
Lendl Simmons
Dwayne Smith
Jerome Taylor

wait a minute....this team only now, this very minute dawn on mih.  I looking at this team sine it post and only now I realise what it is..who deh pik!  oh geeze its not a good team at all..no thought went into it.  I mean I not around the team so I don't know what actually goin' orn but why is Taylor in there given the obvious wear down he suffered from as the season went on ::confused::

Taylor is a great asset for tests. deh shud endeavour to keep him fresh for that while including one of the younger pace..especially with RSA to follow.  Taylor go bruk down again by RSA

Samuels and Smith should never 'grace' the portals of a west indies side again.  it makes sense to loose with younger prospects than to loose with old failures.

and I tell dem arready to arks Holder to focus on his batting or else develop more pace..or do both.  tall strong young man and he slow like dat old Vincentian pacer we used to have..tall like the sky but slow,slow , slow tuh rarse. Allen is his name..is it

to me Jason Holder is useless as he is.  he is not Ambrose, McGrath or Vass..slower but great. if Jason doh have skills like them he is a runs truck at his current pace.  and if he cyar get faster and better he mus' bat like a real bat man.  and if neither can be achieved then drop him.

by any level of intellectual and imaginative skill Blackwood should be on this side.  Prolly Bonner too.  and I would have included Nicholas Pooran as a pure batsman if I insist on Ramdin in there in ODI too

this is bad work by LLoyd.  I was hoping for the better side to emerge in this selector role from that old soup drinking skunt.  seems like my hope is wasted.

the only selection I hold my breath on his Shive at 40. T20, ODI are games for young-younger men.  it seems logical to me that he shud not play them for the west indies at 40

and I doh trust allyuh on and with any decision in which Shive involve.  allyuh bias is so clear and strong that allyuh cyar see allyuh han' in front allyuh face when it comes to Shive

this is a bad side Lloyd pik here.  the future is not represented. this side is toast.not winning anything and if the future is not represented then we have none until it is represented..if it is not wasted in the interim

MAPPIPPEE,

What on earth is wrong with you? Did you stop taking the pills? lol

Yes I am disappointed. Blackwood had to be in there, Taylor I do not mind as he needs bowling and ODIs are pretty good preparation for Test, had it been T20 i would ahve agreed with you.

I am so disappointed in Lloyd. Is he agreeing to this squad.

Smith and Samuels?????

Ah well just when I think thiungs are changing for the better Lloyd makes Butts look level headed.

Is it too early to call for his sacking??? Lol

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Samuels and Smith should never 'grace' the portals of a west indies side again. 
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Smith and Samuels?????
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[quote author=Kyle link=topic=92903.msg590296#msg590296 date=1411615587]
Why are these failed players given chances OVER and OVER again? Especially Samuels?
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http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140...orts7.html

Samuels respond !! :

" Brian Lara's world record, for example, is still on my mind."  

The 33-year-old was  recalled by the new Clive Lloyd-led West Indies selection panel !

Samuels currently averages 34.68 from 52 Tests and 31.35 from 159 one-day internationals.


Wow ! ...what mus Shiv and Sars do to be " favored "  :-\