welcome back maps

krishna · 04-09-2014, 06:16 PM · 1 person reading this discussion

#1
come back bai

#2
Maps is a man of integrity that has steadfast beliefs on the left of the political spectrum and while I do not always respond to his posts , I made it my duty to read them all .
You are missed buddy ... come back

#3
Maps playing "brigah" ::LOL::

#4
weh Maps deh?

i went over on the music side just to welcome him and he didn't even bupps pun meh  Sad

#5
Maps seh to tell y'all to watch this  8)


#6
man why all the noise..as if allyuh doh understand the situation!

here then:
Quote:it does not matter where anyone starts...from the highest families to the lowest, from bum to elites. the truth is ALL, once one comes to it.

the truth is not religion and the holy books but nature and what we come to know of it..that which is obvious and about which we need no teaching, like physical body, emotions, sanity madness, sex and love, birth and death etc..all real, unavoidable, existential...plus all that happens in the universe and how the universe functions..all of which we must come to know or we wont make the best use of our opportunity to exist,  in the best way we can, on-going, indefinite.....

there is no right or wrong as calculated by the holy books and abstract/idealist philosophical meanderings.  there is always a god at the centre of those human creations but there is no god in reality..none of that like the religions say.  from start to finish all the religions, and all philosophies are lies, creations...worse than lies, human concoctions.

religion is also human emotional problem... insane, infantile, childish, and utterly backward.  religion is abstract, not connected to reality.

love thy neighbour as one loves oneself.  but how?  why?  give me a form for that to happen practically?

I cant just up and love my neighbour!  they will think I went crazy, then seek to exploit me.  I become weak and stupid and all my associates begin to think I am crazy, lose respect for me..  stupid, unaccounted love draws only unlimited exploitative responses from people.  they seek to use you unconditionally. 

love they neighbour is pure insanity taken as delivered by the philosophers, abstract, idealistic.  humanity is not that way at all.  humanity was/is born insecure among many related conditions.  shaped by insecurity and related conditions humanity is not to love they neighbour but to kill him and take his goods.

so humanity is warmonger, competitive, greedy, without conscience..as a consequence of birth.  but as life exists in dialectical reality, dynamic, ever changing by natural drive,  all things extant live in combination with its opposites or relatives.  if humanity is born insecure, individual etc. and develops barbarous habbits like deceit, cunning, murder opposites do also.  so humans can care as well as not care.  but how does it come be, the caring...there must be practical application...

it comes out of practical application..cooperation for mutual gain.  once people see the value of cooperation and carry it out in the process routine creating the best life they can currently, we achieve the form of ' love they neighbour' that is possible.  we advance socially, physically, mentally, improve security on all levels, improve emotionally..in other words any form of socialism produces the best possible on any day we are still here.  that is how one loves thy neighbour..when they come to solve the problems they face collectively...and in the process increase human education beyond the basic.  we see that there are others means to achieving security far greater than murderous individualism, competitive and fraudulent business practices that leads to endless war, human exploitation, backwardness and waste, routine existence like we enjoy currently full of violence, war, crime, food poisoning, pollution of everything including human behaviour..the absolutely sick and ignorant global life we now exist in, are living

that is why religions is bad, and demonstrates at every turn its human concoction..elongated form ancient experience by elites bent on controlling the masses of people.  they developed religion to fool the peoples which is why everywhere they go they tote religion of one sort or another with them,  and give it to the conquered peoples freely..one of the few things they 'give'....while taking everything else from them.  beware of gifts from conquerors.

but strangely it does appear humans enjoyed a socialism before..during the earliest phase of our career so far in the universe..during the early female dominated social phase, when women developed agriculture and settled down the species,,taming the male beast in the process. but that phase driven by natural development as all phases are broke up under the pressure of technological advance leading to male domination which is breaking up as we speak under technological advance again...the main source of human social destabilization.

there is no right or wrong according to the religions..another mark of religious insanity.  there is only practically in existence, what is possible on any day the universe is still here based on all that went on up to then or now.  that is all..what happens is possible and determined by a zillion possibilities all the time. practically for individuals, collectives, the whole species... is what we can do at all times in our interest as that interest develops in real time, along with out knowledge of it.  we come to know that murder in the process of winning security in existence is not necessary at all. so we do not murder.  we cone to see cooperation is the real source of survival so individuals is developed, changed from all out aggression to individual ambition in the process of life or human development.  we commit murder all the time..but no one is secure.  indeed the system by which we have chosen to maximises opportunity for murder.  we know that security/cooperation promotes social/human development, but it also precludes the accumulation of vast quantities of individual wealth, in the interest of the survival of the whole.

but at this stage of life with the vast technology that human has created at our collective disposal, the creation of wealth is now potentially unquantifiable.  this technology has destabilized capitalism totally.  they do not know what to do with save kill off the human population, which this technology can free, liberate totally..  capitalism cannot exist any more for under that system that technology can only be locked down used to create a brave new world.  that is because by capitalist relations in advanced technological society the people cannot be employed.  there will be only be unemployment in the world under capitalism in the middle of the greatest wealth and capability ever seen by man from the very work we have done up to know.  we haver created the means of our own liberation but placed it in the ownership of a murderous minority that plans not to let the means loose to bring security to all mankind but to reducer mankind to manageable numbers so they can continue to be top dog on planet earth.

so right here humanity/human society.. has met its point of resolution, its point between backwardness, childishness and maturity.  there is the choice..a return to socialism on our advanced developmental base, or descend to barbarism and Brave New World. 

should we chose socialism we become a mature species prepared to accept our reality and live accordingly...or we chose to be insane and soon enough become extinct by our own hand...natures fail safe, the way species come into being and go out of it..by their own hand and behaviour...life a self regulating mechanism

I don't have to be a saint to see the truth and to bring what I see out for all to see.  I am not a saint but I am not all they say of me.  I have never met west indians or ordinary white people..indeed any people at all...who cant stand anyone like me.  I am no saint but I am not a preacher too, a priest, a reverend or good man now..nor do I want to be. 


I have looked at human behaviour all my life and what I understood I have said some of it here. 

we are all part of an interconnected reality and currently the EU..Electric Universe..line of thought, advances human understanding of the universal process significantly.  the connectedness of universals reality.  Occams/Okham's razor is relevant here..in the end simple plausibility is all, the underlying principle.

because it is a whole, interconnected  then there is a way it works..and that is what we are about..discovery of existence...and use of what is valuable to our survival as we go.  so the abstract philosophies are nonsense, there is no abstract and idealistic right and wrong, ultimately only that which is possible, practical, useful and saving

#7
and he's baaaaaacccccckkkkkkkkkkkk ....

#8
good riddance - been very peaceful
no attacking bama , Ramesh ,

#9
we cant take anything with us...and once we accept life as we come to know it, know that one day we will be dead..then we can become free of all the nonsense and really live the life we have, be focused on what is true and important, in order to discover more and more and more truth..to achieve our longest potential destiny..not the truncated opportunity Obama and his capitalists promise in their final and utter failure.

individuality must be developed on a socially cooperative base.  that is the only way individualism will not be hurtful/harmful to the general good.

but we have to fight for these things which are all associated with the collective interest.  they can only become positive factors in the social life, in socialism not in pyramid social stratification dominated by minority interest.

any mental orientation that seeks to ignore human truth in routine life is waste of a life.  to say that "there is nothing I can do about it, so I ignore it" is ignorant, suicidal, silly..capitulation to those who claim superiority over you.  you cede 'better' to them for they can do or be decisive in their own interest, go after the pot at the end of their rainbow.. but you cant go after yours especially when the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow includes also your own pot of gold. 

they take it all consigning you to obscure existence while they rule the world.

but they s***teh and pisseth just like you do, must eat and eff just like you do..so what makes them superior..only their claim to be and the might to impose it..for now.  it is your job to live as fully as you can..all humans..and to move out of the way anything that prevents you from doing so.  if that is the challenge one faces then ones job is obvious.  you job is expansive for humanity, for the process of defeating oppression expands human knowledge of itself, plumbs depths of human capability and character, courage, brains etc we may not know we do indeed have.

human individuality/individualism.. in relation to the development of the society is key..not opposed to society but in concert with it,...when society is in the right groove..indeed to get society into the right groove..socialism..and to keep it moving forward in democracy.

it does not matter where anyone comes from at all.  literally no one in the whole world is brought up right currently..neither the 1% or the 99%.  society can only bring up humanity right when society itself is right...and for society to be right it must be based on the principles humanity winnows out of nature, out of experience and investigation of nature.  we must live by nature, which is to live by sight and not by blind faith.

when we see all of this we have a better appreciation of humanity, who and what we are and how we can live the right life, as secure as we can make ourselves in nature. 

that is the point..which I have encapsulated in the question:  How can humanity survive indefinitely in an evolutionary universe

#10
shut up captain.  you are a shill for somebody.

you are an ordinary person with ordinary interest and you should behave according to your class interest.  that is your social responsibility.  and you cant say you don't know it, you are unaware of it

get up and actualise it and stop fronting for the devil

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