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ketchim post=379457 Wrote:

mapoui post=379443 Wrote:Marxism can also bring us back to simplicity..the simplicity of popular power
....to achieve such a state of survival requires total social democracy.
which is why democracy/survival is an equation..one side equal to the other

Dream Orn !!!
never will happen : it is counter to the homo sapien Egotism !!
rich wann get richer : poor becomes poorer
always a heirarchy
always a Caste system ....

FIND a more PRACTICAL solution ~

you are not paying attention to what I am saying. you are holding ideas as dominant which are not arbiters at all. why do you do that.

People did not always want to get rich..that is later phenomena. people cannot live and do what is not possible of what they do not know. don't you understand that?

when I say democracy based on what you need it is because ultimately that is what is possible not what you insist upon. the consequences of what yo insist in is death for humanity. I agree that humanity can chose riches anyway and die. so be it.

but when you talk you do not back it up with any kind of support in reality, fact that we can reason forward with. you just insist on people are greedy and want wealth. there are many examples in human life there that is not the case at all..right now in the world..where they have fought fiercely to keep their culture which is in no way concerned with accumulation of individual riches...which is why they are under attack.

what is wrong with you? you are not doing a proper job of reasoning at all. we have the facts of life...we all know that capitalism cannot continue for much longer without the world, the environment giving way and wiping out humanity... or we stop and try to reverse the damage we have done and go on living in a different way

we have all sorts of means that tell us about all of this..proves the damage we have done planetary and that we must address these of they consequences will become only more dangerous the longer they remain unaddressed.

you just bawl and bawl and offer no reasoned argument as to to the why of anything..and how it can be resolved in life..what are the possibilities.

you are not looking at us..humans and what is obvious about us and basing your opinion on that..facts, limits, boundaries, what we can do and what we cant. these are truths that are self evident...RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACES! you go on and on in a way that prevents agreement on anything. is there anything yu and I can agree on that is true of humans..like we all have 2 eye.... unless you one or 3 :woohoo: :woohoo:

we have to have an idea of the world that is our, independent, that no one told us this is so but we proved it ourselves and we live and work by that because it is efficacious, true and functional. and from that we can review all any others say about the world..compare and contrast to prove what is true in it, to adjust ourselves as we go and so on.

you just bawl and bawl. in all the noise you have made on this thread there is not one thing, not a sliver, scrap of that I can use for any dam purpose at all. if I am talking with anyone there must be that exchange of thought, level of talk that makes it worthwhile. all of a sudden you make it too hard ketchim. you are a man of ability...