How Islam was responsible for slavery , mercantilism and colonialism

Quote:The Invention of the White Race
Groundbreaking analysis of the birth of racism in America.
When the first Africans arrived in Virginia in 1619, there were no “white” people, nor, according to colonial records, would there be for another sixty years. In his seminal two-volume work, The Invention of the White Race, Allen details the creation of the “white race” by the ruling class as a method of social control, in response to labor unrest precipitated by Bacon’s Rebellion. Distinguishing European Americans from African Americans within the laboring class, white privileges enforced the myth of the white race through the years and has been central to maintaining ruling-class domination over the entire working class.

Since publication in the mid-nineties, Invention has become indispensable in debates on the origins of racial oppression in America. Volume One utilizes Irish history to show the relativity of race and racial oppression as a form of social control. Volume Two details the development of racial oppression and racial slavery in colonial Virginia and, more broadly, Anglo-America. A new introduction by Jeffrey B. Perry discusses Allen’s contributions, critical reception and continuing importance.

Quote:I would not take it down ramesh.  it is good evidence of the way humanity really is.  look at the people, their faces, their joy.  it is like a picnic, the festive air palpable.

Yeah, I agree. The picture is a good history lesson.

But Ketchim is a sneaky Guyanese. He only posted that picture to rile up Ramesh. But Ramesh is a smart Guyanese too. He started this thread to rile up Ketchim.

I think blaming muslims for pushing Europeans into America is wrong. It's the equivalent of saying that Europeans had to commit genocides, all because muslim Kings wouldn't let them engage in free trade.

In other words, the brown man made them do it. The European colonialists didn't want to, but were forced to due to economic reasons imposed upon their poor bodies by evil muslims. The alternative to free trade is barbarism and war! Why you do this to us, muslims!? Why you don't let us obey the laws of the market!?

And this is the same logic that has the Western world "opening up markets" in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan today. It's the same twisted rationale. For those in power, the alternative to the market and trade on their terms, is absolute devastation. And it's never their fault. It's always the victim's fault for "making them act this way."

And let's not glamorise the Silk Route. We have thousands of slaves in India making silk today. In ancient times, in China, it was worse. It was peasants and the poor being forced to make goods for the Europeans. It wasn't a "good thing" which was shut down.

Quote:The Invention of the White Race
Groundbreaking analysis of the birth of racism in America.

Sounds like the old Marxist slogan: Race is a Social Construct!

It was intended to unite all religions and races against land owners.

Now the phrase mostly drives people, especially in America, crazy. The problem's with the world are due to the DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RACES, many believe, and these problems would be avoided if EVERY RACE ACTED MORE WHITE and CHRISTIAN (And if you can't act this way, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!).

And their idea of "whiteness" is always some idyllic, fantastical, 1950s version of Americana. A point in time, ironically, when 80 percent of the nation was in some kind of workers union.

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=106562.msg716718#msg716718 date=1476540820]
Yeah, I agree. The picture is a good history lesson.

But Ketchim is a sneaky Guyanese. He only posted that picture to rile up Ramesh. But Ramesh is a smart Guyanese too. He started this thread to rile up Ketchim.

I think blaming muslims for pushing Europeans into America is wrong. It's the equivalent of saying that Europeans had to commit genocides, all because muslim Kings wouldn't let them engage in free trade.

In other words, the brown man made them do it. The European colonialists didn't want to, but were forced to due to economic reasons imposed upon their poor bodies by evil muslims. The alternative to free trade is barbarism and war! Why you do this to us, muslims!? Why you don't let us obey the laws of the market!?

And this is the same logic that has the Western world "opening up markets" in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan today. It's the same twisted rationale. For those in power, the alternative to the market and trade on their terms, is absolute devastation. And it's never their fault. It's always the victim's fault for "making them act this way."

And let's not glamorise the Silk Route. We have thousands of slaves in India making silk today. In ancient times, in China, it was worse. It was peasants and the poor being forced to make goods for the Europeans. It wasn't a "good thing" which was shut down.
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interesting..where to start with it.... :-[ :-[ :-[

Quote:I think blaming muslims for pushing Europeans into America is wrong

to be proper we have to re-phrase rameshs by-line.  it is not to blame Muslims for that development. 

I don't see history as an activity to find blame but o detck what happened, to help us explain how things actually go to helps us streamline our own current behavior hopefully in the positive
division and schism in islam of the day gave the christians opportunity to drive out the moors.  the christians used their new domination to facilitate sea navigation which led to european expansion into the world...

in the process like all history we can see cause and effect, economic/class interest etc.

as you said ramesh started the thread to rib ketchim..which is the way my own contributions were slanted originally..to terrorize ketchim.

but the way I actually see the issues..indeed all historical issues to not nearly at all the blame game

[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=106562.msg716722#msg716722 date=1476542317]

And their idea of "whiteness" is always some idyllic, fantastical, 1950s version of Americana.
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spot on bro ! my family telling me now Trump and Hilary airing dirty laundry

has shattered that image : around the World.

[quote author=ramesh link=topic=106562.msg716690#msg716690 date=1476495132]
I take this moment to apologise to visitors
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There is a reason why you were labeled Jala the Jackass

on that other Forum 

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=106562.msg716734#msg716734 date=1476546025]
.....Trump and Hilary airing dirty laundry

has shattered that image : around the World.
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..among the bline and mypoic.

dat was/is waht has always been shocking to me...not the picture above but how people who were and are thoroughly raped by the west/america can still think of it as 'good'

amazing

Quote:Sounds like the old Marxist slogan: Race is a Social Construct!

I don't understand...modern white racism is creative divide and rule for the purpose of control of majorities to facilitate their exploitation.

that is what Allen did..researched  to present and solid basis to fight white western racism.

allen's work included marxist method.  but by all measurements it is regarded as a great contribution

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=106562.msg716735#msg716735 date=1476546122]
There is a reason why you were labeled Jala the Jackass
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on that other Forum 
[/quote]Then let us concede that Trinadady is very intelligent and  highly educated.  I will also grant  that Ketchem is also highly educated  . Trinadady suggested that I AM SMART and so lets extrapolate .  You suggested that I am a jackass which implies  thathat my appendage is as large as that of a jackass , my smartness has  already has been established by Trinadidy
Let us now take you . TRrinadidy implied that you are sneaky and I know  that 4 women dumped you and so what do we have.
ME... large appendage and smart
You... sneaky as  stated by Trinadady and small appendage because 4 women  dumped you