Is Sarwan one of top 5 batsmen to come out of Guyana

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As Sarwan split time batting between nos 3&4,
(he averaged 35.15 in 82 innings batting at no 3,
..............and [size=10pt]54.21[/size] in 55 innings batting at no 4),
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thanks....methink we ask too much of you!

hence I deleted my work order on comparison of # 3s  :-[

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=106188.msg713107#msg713107 date=1474049199]
thanks....methink we ask too much of you!

hence I deleted my work order on comparison on # 3s  :-[
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I like digging around. It always helps to put things into context and be better informed.

With regards to Test matches and runs above average. Lara was +14.99 runs above average, Richards +13.29, Tendulkar +15.29 and Sobers a staggering +20.90. Of course, Bradman was playing a different game at +59.95 runs above average.

Runs above average is a nice method of comparing players from different eras as you can see how they stacked up against their peers.

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I like digging around. It always helps to put things into context and be better informed.
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We can conclude then, for Sarwan to have "lived up to potential"

He should have batted at # 4 instead of # 3 .

Q.E.D.

A few other numbers for Test matches only: Joe Solomon was -3.99 runs below average, Steve Camacho -7.76, Faoud Baccus -9.39, and Robert Christiani was -11.58 runs below average.

Good stats, Dilli! 

Bacchus was coached by Ketch!  no wonder!!  ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::

Sars didn't live up to his potential? No, WICB just don't know how to manage people.

Sars debuted at like 19 years old. Guys like Sanga, Joe Root, Ian Bell etc debut at like 22 and 23.

Sars hit his first ton at 21. That's a third of his career gone (about 28 matches) before he learns to hit a ton. A third of his career the stats judge as "mediocre" when he's still a baby and learning to play internationally.

But from this point onwards, Sars hits a ton every 3.5ish games until he was kicked off the team. It's obvious to everyone who watched his career that the fruits of sticking with such a young player were paying off. The guy had learned to craft tons and double tons, he had withered the last of the great bowling attacks of the 1990s (Murali, Warne, Donald, Pollock, McGrath, Ntini) and was about to start cashing in (he has like 4 tons vs South Africa in his last 2 series against them) on modern bowlers.

But then they drop him.

WI thought they had another Tendulkar with Sarwan. He was hyped up as a maverick teenager (is he the still the youngest to play for WI?). But what the WICB had was someone like Sanga (or Dilshan), a player who blossomed when he hit 30 years old.

But the whole make-up of the team sucked in those days. You had random guys like Brendan Nash, Ganga and Devon Smith constantly moving in and out of the team. After Lara left, the only constants were Gayle, Chanders and Ramdin. Three kids and a passive slow poke. What are they supposed to do?

Lara entered a team with Ritchie, Haynes, Greenidge and Viv. That's at least 4 old timer batsmen to lean on.

Sars entered a sinking ship and was expected to be a savior.

Quote:I understand and would venture that Richie IMO was a better ODI bat than Sarwan

Richie was a totally annoying ODI bat. He sucked hard unless he was playing hardcore dangerous Pak and Aus attacks. He and Kieth Atherton and Simmons used to annoy me, especially in World Cup games.

What would you attribute his struggles overseas to, Trini? From 2006-2009, Sarwan was a monster at home, averaging 61 with 13 scores of 50+ in 24 innings, yet overseas he averaged 23 with just 2 scores of 50+ in 18 innings.

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WI thought they had another Tendulkar with Sarwan. He was hyped up as a maverick teenager (is he the still the youngest to play for WI?). But what the WICB had was someone like Sanga (or Dilshan), a player who blossomed when he hit 30 years old.[/quote]

Quote:What would you attribute his struggles overseas to, Trini? From 2006-2009, Sarwan was a monster at home

He often didn't play a full away series and he never got a chance to play in Ind and Pak a second time after seeing their conditions. When he played full tours vs the Brits and South Africa a second time, he did well there.

And the team as a whole just sucked and/or was put together with no sense. Those guys rarely made more than 200.

One neat stat I found while looking at Sarwan's Test numbers. From the day he made his debut until December 2009, Sarwan's numbers were almost identical to those of Chris Gayle.