West Indies cricket declined due to loss of nationalism

West Indies should stop embarrassing itself and stop playing International Cricket.

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but their policies are divide and rule
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Learned from the Colonial masters : hence that "disenfranchisement " concept is sheer nonsense.

They  not emancipated from Mental slavery  >

[quote author=Big Cat link=topic=99347.msg649565#msg649565 date=1438703487]
West Indies should stop embarrassing itself and stop playing International Cricket.
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I would like to TRY it as individual countries :

and I know both Guyana and TnT stink up their International appearance in champions league.

It accurately voices the feelings of despair and resignation felt by so many West Indians about the sense of loss, in its widest sense, around the great game that is so close to their hearts. We all wish for signs of a Phoenix flapping its wings in the flames, but we don't hold our breath in hope - but to avoid choking on the smoke fumes.

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its profitable you see so they love it.  they can make 300k per, usd... and live in nicer big jupa, sen' deh chirren abroad to school..get them green cards and so on

and it is a form of activity the empire does not mind..in fact wholeheartedly supports.

now if they do things like take back the banks and keep the money and develop the nation...dat wud get them in trouble. but they have a free pass to rip the nations off..or any part of it they latch onto...in ways that do not touch the money the nation makes that the empire wants for itself

but you making too much of the insularity from the angle you comin' from.  in the way I described a class has come up to rule the west indies that is bureaucratic, but who are so terrible, so ridiculous they are malleable and changeable into all and any from the empire needs them to shape, to facilitate its plunder of the region through them

all the insularity you talk about among ordinary west indians would disappear overnight if the region united properly.  and when it come so you get plenty opposition form those form the current united west indies..the elite and middle professional classes

Just like with the idea of the Caribbean Community, the West Indies cricket team has been hit by the division that has come about in the region. Each nation wants to be the top dog and it has resulted in the idea of a combined team not being so attractive anymore to some.

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but you making too much of the insularity from the angle you comin' from.  in the way I described a class has come up to rule the west indies that is bureaucratic,
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You need to understand these as being Insepearable !

The Elite bureaucatic Class are INSULAR : and cannot be separated : factum !


Like Car and Gas , Bread and Butter : the atom cannot be spit , either 

Quote:You need to understand these as being Insepearable !

The Elite bureaucatic Class are INSULAR : and cannot be separated : factum !

as I said I see them as a west indian elite, integrated not insular, and fully aware of themselves as an elite class that runs the region, albeit in the interest of forrin power. 

I don't see the class as insular..but insularity could be expressed at the national level where the interests of the nations intersect.  however the class itself is aware of itself and act as any elite class..interpenetrate by marrying each other, look for each other generally, and run the region in ways that do not cut up themselves

look the way we are supposed to behave you would never expect that the chief justice of Trinidad and Tobago would be anything but Trinidadian.  but at that position for example I have seen Guyanan, dominica etc.

do you know that David Holford going to school in Trinidad...UWI.. captain the Trinidad side.  you can see that kind of thing all over the region..not among ordinary west indians but up there among then.  David Holford never behaved in Trinidad for a minute as if he was not entitled..as if he was in any way in danger as an outsider or any kind of inferiority.

that was because he was and  is elite and no matter where he went in the west indies he was ok, fine! Mister Holford

but it is an involved story and it must be observed to see its current shape.  but its there and as a class it is not insular just like that...like you say.  I suspect the insularity you cite is deliberate policy..something they accept and go on with because it serves their general purpose of keeping players off balance and mis-focused.  the fan too

but where they are concerned there is no insularity.  they do not impose on themselves what they impose on us.

anyway that is how I see it.  there is a kind of federation in the west indies and it is in the way the elites have formed it so the normal west indian divisions do not affect them. they have worked ways to transcend that for themselves, while making the insularity among the people work for them

1. We play less cricket domestically than other nations
2. Island vs Island games are poorly arranged
3. College vs college games arent competitive enough
4. Play more often, and play competitively at a younger age, and you will breed players who can compete with bigger nations
5. Better local pitches will breed better bowlers and so better batsmen
6. Kick Guyana out of the West Indies and invite the United States to become a member instead.

Quote:6. Kick Guyana out of the West Indies and invite the United States to become a member instead.

most brilliant suggestion or idea of all. then we wont have to deal with the Guyanan star anymore