[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=97195.msg632734#msg632734 date=1429459208]
England played six bowlers, if you include Root, whose spin looked threatening.
That is 5 bowlers, with 2 (Carlos and Holder) decent at batting. Replace Carlos with Gabriel or Permaul if you want, I don't care.
But 4 bowlers will not bowl out England. If 5 bowlers click and bowl out England, and our batsmen fail, that is still good.
We will then see who needs to be culled.
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Agreed : we have to accept REALITY ...Our PACE men are not like Yesteryear.
15 overs per day Express and thats all dem good for !
[quote author=ketchim link=topic=97195.msg632749#msg632749 date=1429461540]
what Assumption ?
Our current day Quicks cannot Manage 20 + overs per day.
FACTUM.
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the simple assumptions on which your comments are built. they are wrong.
like above here with you and the fast bowlers and their fitness. if they are unfit and cant carry their work complement then drop them fuh christ sakes. isn't that normal procedure ::confused::
you do not add another mediocre pacer to an unfit couple who spearheads the attack, while maintaining 2 others of questionable quality, ending up wit 5 bowlers who cannot do the job at all.
man what the hell is all this ::confused:: ::confused::
we know cricket and ow to play and select players. you have to play your best 11 on the day, fit and ready to. they may be the best you have, due to other considerations which make some available and others not.
and your best, if available, you still might not be good enough to deal with the opposition you face on the day. so what are you options, strengths. what are the conditions you can exploit to equalize the situation and defeat your opposition regardless ::confused::
how smart is your captain/brain trust ::confused:: how smart is your opposition even if they command a greater talent pool ::confused:: are they able to command that superiority tactfully to defeat you ::confused:: or can you outsmart them ::confused:: what are their weaknesses and how can you pick a team that can exploit their weaknesses ::confused::
the team you might have to select to frustrate them may not even be your best team but contain talents that would frustrate the opposition. are you so flexible as to be able to respond to all you see as you go that gives you a hand up ::confused::
you are stuck ketchim, in that declined west indian groove, totally focused on west indies and structures that you intend to employ, and not on the real flow of things. do not have an overall impression of your cricket region anyway and what we have, and can do and use in response to the english. you not even focused on the english and how to frustrate them.
eff them..the Pommies. I don't care about them. all I know is dat I have to beat deh skunt and dem.
and if I can defeat them with the what I have that is not as good as we once had, I will crow in deh face forever. eff them pommy skunts.
allyuh behaving as if this is between friends and stuck in all manner of grooves..the decline that west indians are mired in at the moment. I don't care if I lose only that I am out to beat deh skunt. and I using all I have to best advantage to achieve dat goal
nutten otherwise concerns me. I would let no nonsense of race, ethnicity, who is a university boy and who not, who fit, half fit this that and the other. none of that crap matters save what works on the day..who smart, fit and in form on the day and can achieve victory
look I watching racing at woodbine right now as I chat here. I saw a stiff breeze this mawnin' and figured if it stayed that the speed at woodbine would not prevail today.
2 races gorne and the speed have not held up. most of the fastest and best horses, bets as faves have failed. come off the pace a bit and you in business..a situation in which the best horses are not winning..not because they are not the best but the conditions do not suit them and they cant overcome them
man we pik your side or use your mode.. 5 bowlers..and west indies lose. west indies may not win anyway but they are sure to lose with allyuh sides.
if the pace not fit drop it. let it go rest and ketch itself. call up the spin..Permaul, Bishoo and Miller, Imran Khan..the one I would call up and include right away. and include the rookie Hope.
then win the toss AND BAT TO RASS..AS LONG AS THE CREASE CAN BE OCCUPIED, HELP WEAR AWAY THE WICKET THEN HOPE TO KETCH ENGLAND ON A LAST DAY, WEARING PITCH WITH SOME 250..350 TO MAKE, AND LET LOOSE IMRAN AND BISH TO SPIN RINGS ROUND DEM RARSE
eff Carlos. he is not good enuff and will present NO CHALLENGE AT ALL TO THE ENGLISH AS BOWLER OR BATSMAN.
drop Roach..let him go heal up... but pick no pace in replacement. pick Permaul or Imran.
open up your mind to possibilities man. I am certain there are others options just as valid or better than mine here we could use..but allyuh still thinking in the old ways... we have to pik pace and pace and more pace bits and pieces.
and look here..if allyuh really want to pik some useful pace who can bat well enough to permit 5 bowlers, who is it but Brabits himself..who is better than all the pace bits and pieces available with bat and ball
but allyuh say allyuh want to win but go for Carlos in whose defense the best I can say is ''we don't know'' because he is a rookie.
the only rookie at the moment absolutely worth a shot is Shai Hope in the #3 position
hope is like a race horse..a rookie. he comes to the race with numbers that are better than all those who have already raced so we know he is good.
in one season he has scored and achieved an earned average better than all rookies for some years now..better than Leon Johnson, Fudadin and other older players who around for years..against the same opposition.
what that means is that Hope is likely the real deal. so I am not worried about trying him at all.
the simple assumptions on which your comments are built. they are wrong.
if they are unfit and cant carry their work complement then drop them fuh christ sakes. isn't that normal procedure ::confused::
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You are clearly NOT listening : The workload has to be Changed !!
Roach admitted he cannot bowl that 20 overs.
SO I am changing the workload by easing off the 20 to 15 .
AND adding someone to finish the daily complement of 90 .
[quote author=ketchim link=topic=97195.msg632763#msg632763 date=1429469178]
You are clearly NOT listening : The workload has to be Changed !!
Roach admitted he cannot bowl that 20 overs.
SO I am changing the workload by easing off the 20 to 15 .
AND adding someone to finish the daily complement of 90 .
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drop him is what I told you...he is a liability if he cannot carry his work load. what is wrong with you ::confused:: wud you like my glasses to see what I said ::confused::
Roach is taking 2/3 wickets a game. Holder is doing almost the same..Gabe would prolly take just as many and they are fit.
we don't need Roach to bat. we don't want to be... or shud not play in expectation that we wud always need to save a game using Roach in the late stages.
drop him, bring in Permaul or Imran Khan to bowl. give the new ball to Taylor and Holder
look here! over the past few days I have said drop taylor and roach....I do not expect that we wud find wicket taking bowlers to replace them so I said pick youngsters with character and propensity to bowl well and groom them. we wud have to wait on them but that is what building is all about
the taylor and roach came back and bowled but the Pommies still declared..we cud not bowl them out a second time. but we took 17 of their wickets. but it is clear that taylor is the man we have...that Benn is done..that roach is hobbled..and that Holder is not really fast but he can move the ball a lot.
a hobbled roach shud not be pik. he shud be rested to repair his body. through no fault of my own we have no pacemen of class to replace roach but a few promising spinners to choose from. so I would drop taylor and bring in a either Permaul of Imran Khan. since I want to take wickets I will pik Khan.
Khan has been a solid first class player in the west indies for 10 years. he is a determined and solid batsman who can bat anywhere in the order..from 1 to 1. and Khan can be a devastating spinner..a wicket take of great profusion. we can get 20-30 overs from Khan per day. we can get more from Bishoo. the overs are covered..we have attacking bowlers who may bowl england out
ketchim talk about the overs and the fast bowlers cant carry the over loads. that is not a problem in my scheme. I am not picking them. how in the hell ketchm cyar understand dat ::confused:: I am not picking roach, no cottrell nor gabe to be the third pacer. I am not pikkin' a third pacer but a second spin. and even more I having 2 more spinner standing-by
and to top if all off: now that I am charge of west indies cricket I am going to get a pool of fast bowlers ready from who I will be able to pik the best or most needy at all times...
I will continue with this next post
when Delorn Johnson was taking wickets like Hope has been scoring runs a few years ago that was the sign and the time that we had a good on on our hands. what did that big skunt Otis do...ignore him for Tino Best of all friggin bowlers.
Otis ignored Cummins, Beaton, Jason Dawe and a few others. it is now 3-4 years up the road and we have no one even close to Taylor and Roach. Taylor is 29/30 and Roach is broken down.
I wud never let that happen. I would have all those guys always involved, developing, in situations that enhanced them and kept them ready for west indian service..even if I get sponsors to fund camps where I would have them learning, practicing, in school, playing practice matches to try out what they learn.
why are the players we need directly and a pool or reserves not always ready for duty ::confused:: Delorn Johnson should have been ready and long ago included in the west indies team. after Gabe broke down he was the man not Cottrell instead Gibson farted around for years with useless Best and here we are.
anyone can sue Gibson for malpractice, or mal-administration or just plain lack of professionalism ::confused:: ::confused:: skunt Julian Hunter too ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
Quote:England played six bowlers, if you include Root, whose spin looked threatening.
That is 5 bowlers, with 2 (Carlos and Holder) decent at batting. Replace Carlos with Gabriel or Permaul if you want, I don't care.
But 4 bowlers will not bowl out England. If 5 bowlers click and bowl out England, and our batsmen fail, that is still good.
We will then see who needs to be culled.
Moeen Ali, Root are batsmen first. Ballance is more of an all-rounder than both of them. Root and Ali are picked as batsmen. that they can bowl as well as they do is lucky for england
england does not go out and pick 6 bowlers. they in fact have 3 bowlers and bits and pieces Ballance, Root, Ali, Jordan who is more bowler than bat.
england in fact selects according to the range of talent they have at their disposal. england is responsive to the conditions they have to deal with, not trying to make bricks any old way deh feel like.
it is only allyuh here imposing allyuh structure on the west indies team regardless of the conditions we face..the talent we have at our disposal, the injuries we have etc
[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=97195.msg632734#msg632734 date=1429459208]
England played six bowlers, if you include Root, whose spin looked threatening.
My team would be:
Paint
Ramdin
Bravo
Holder
Samuels/Shiv
Blackwood
Hope/Leon/Shiv/Samuels
Carlos
Roach
Bishoo
Taylor
That is 5 bowlers, with 2 (Carlos and Holder) decent at batting. Replace Carlos with Gabriel or Permaul if you want, I don't care. But 4 bowlers will not bowl out England. If 5 bowlers click and bowl out England, and our batsmen fail, that is still good. We will then see who needs to be culled.
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dat side is comes' Trinniddady..bacchanal!
here is a better way to play 5 bowlers
Smiff
Paint
Darren
the Mule
Shive
Holder #6
Ramdin
Roach
Taylor
Permaul/Imran Khan
Bishoo
my side is even better:
Smiff
Paint
Hope
Darren
Shive
Blackwood
Ramdin
Holder
Imran Khan
Taylor
Bishoo