12 Worst Ideas Religion Has Unleashed on the World

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=95947.msg620193#msg620193 date=1424375473]
well first you must give a cogent, comprehensive justification for the existence of Allah. allah made jesus possible.  when you have establish plausability for god we may reasonto revisit jesus with some weight in mind and in hand. you cannot expect me to live by faith when by the hard evidence I have the negative of that for 2k years

that hard evidence is altogether too much to continue with such belief. in fact such evidence which includes my own suffering and that of my people massively is enough to justify all I have expressed here against such belief.  way more than enough
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Just to get off topic very briefly.  I hope you get as much pleasure as I do when our resident religious freak, Ketchim Bin Laden, loses his mind and throws a hissy fit each and every time one religious concept is brutally exposed and/or ridiculed on the MB.  It's obvious he has no counter points and just babbles on like a 10 year old.

But boy is it ever amusing. 8)

recommended Readings to understand how Concepts like Sin Bearers evolved :

be it vicariously  ::LOL::

                                     

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95947.msg620197#msg620197 date=1424375973]
recommended Readings to understand how Concepts like sin Bearers evolved :

                                     

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Why don't you tell us in a nutshell why you think this idea of vicarious redemption is not disgusting and immoral.

We are still waiting...... 8)

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95947.msg620202#msg620202 date=1424376217]
i look like you baby sitter ?

go read and hedicate yuhself instead of making yourself an amusement park .. ;D
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In other words you cannot tell us why you think the concept is not a vile, disgusting, and immoral one. 

You also fully well know that even in your religion, Islam, the idea of vicarious redemption is a repulsive and blasphemous one.

There, I've made all your points for you.  I don't expect any gratitude however. 8)

Quote:But the most immoral aspect of the whole concept is the abdication of moral responsibility for one's actions.  That the rapist can throw not only his sins, but his moral responsibility for his crime, unto Mr. Jesus and be forgiven.  His slate is wiped cleaned and he is redeemed.  What a wicked and repugnant concept.

such gift as vicarious forgiveness justifies far more than individual sin of course....but slavery and genocide as well a range of collective sin of the nations.  nations can wipe their slates clean as well.....as lets say Germany currently.. which nation has elongated a financial slavery over the Euro zone every bit as vicious as that of old Nazi Germany

and religion as a whole not only the Jesus religions justify this way endless crime. Judy denies Jesus but is a serial criminal nation that has gone furthest in this sort of refusal to accept responsibility.  they have taken the whole world as  gift from god as the chosen ones, which allows them to to as they please with their gift..the earth and the rest of the human species..

no questions..none need to be..it is self evident in the being chosen..one does not have to explain or justify whatever one does with ones gift

Man eveything and example y'all 2 giving is recent sh!t !

Try going back thousands of Years .

I just gave you a 4000 year reference : you coming with Nazis from forking 1945 ?

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95947.msg620195#msg620195 date=1424375724]
Strange enough, the ancient pagan religion, Mithraism, which dates back over 4,000 years, ...

Tammuz was always called Adon, meaning  "Sin Bearer," "Master," "Light of the World," etc.
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[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95947.msg620206#msg620206 date=1424376509]
Man eveything and example y'all 2 giving is recent sh!t !

Try going back thousands of Years .

I just gave you a 4000 year reference : you coming with Nazis from forking 1945 ?

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I'll give you a THIRD opportunity to explain to us (as briefly as you wish) why you think the idea of vicarious redemption is not a vile, disgusting and immoral concept. 8)

Anyways , mister repetitive sh!t doan wanna research :


So I'll leave you 2 to hug up  ::LOL::

the nazis fell from a tree?

we have a long historical development that has made all here now possible..  we wall know this.  the past made this here all..what can it do to help us clean it up?

you have ideas..or is all you concerned about is continuation...more bullsh!t religion to solve all the evil caused by bullsh!t religion ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=95947.msg620208#msg620208 date=1424376685]
Anyways , mister repetitive sh!t doan wanna research :


So I'll leave you 2 to hug up  ::LOL::
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I'll give you a FORTH opportunity to explain to us (as briefly as you wish) why you think the idea of vicarious redemption is not a vile, disgusting, and immoral concept.