Moores mystified by English malaise

krishna · 07-23-2014, 09:56 AM · 1 person reading this discussion

#11
there have been bowler captains before..for england too...a couple of the best...

Ray Illingworth and another pacer back in the fifties.

we have had Daniel Vettori recently..a decent captain

in the circumstance Anderson is the best man.  it wont be for long anyway, because my intent would be to bring back Cook next time..next year is it?

#12
that old england bowler captain was F R Browne I believe..Freddie Brown.

#13
It really is a Fallacy :

Bowlers are the thinking members of your side :

always thinking ....how to uproot ....the Batsman....

"Is he prodding forward....a short pitch for him to look up ?? "

"Rib injury .....direct a bouncer to rib cage ....senn he back , HURT ? "

"Like most right handers he love to pull ...set a man there for catch down he throat ? "

et cetera .....et cetera  Wink

#14
the Oz had Ian johnston and Richie Benaud

The Paks had Kardar who was close enuff.  I dont remember if Fazal Mahmood ever captained Pakisran

its nutten but prejudice old and lonstanding prejudice... that keeps bowlers away from the captaincy of test sides
>Sad

#15
Quote:It really is a Fallacy :

right!  prejudice
::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::

#16
long time ago batsmen were all gentlemen..and the bowlers all labour... under the euphemism players.  if you were a player you were a working class man and not fit for the captaincy

dat crap is still with us

#17
the gentlemen batsmen were all aristocrats and 'entitled' to and for the captaincy
>Sad >Sad

#18
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there have been bowler captains before..for england too...a couple of the best...
Ray Illingworth and another pacer back in the fifties.
we have had Daniel Vettori recently..a decent captain
in the circumstance Anderson is the best man.  it wont be for long anyway, because my intent would be to bring back Cook next time..next year is it?
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Indeed they have.

It's something that I don't particularly like.

Illingworth did regain the ashes on the back of John Snow's splendid bowling. But WI put a licking on England and that cost Illingworth his job.

Anderson is a dickhead so if England want a dickhead as captain they are very welcome.

#19
[quote author=mapoui link=topic=91383.msg576964#msg576964 date=1406122984]
when Botham opened up predicting england would cut India rarse..win all the games...my response was no!  India is more likely to do that..win the series, but not all the games.  I claimed that both sides are cheesy but england is worse.

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how in the hell I can stay in Canada and see that and Moores on the spot cannot see the cheese in his own side ::confused::.
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Di'ze because he is incompetent.

he has a captain who has been beaten to a frazzle by the Oz, Sri Lanka.. and he cant get over it...wasted..too much lixxxxxx, pressure

he has no real good sturdy and exemplary experience in the side that may stabilise the youth.  Bell, Prior, Broad are all impse as leaders and example to the others.  Anderson is good but quiet

Ali and Root are good but not yet so established to be called on to save the side consistently.  they may do it a couple of times, show their class in smaller efforts... but at this stage they cannot be mainstays..consistent enough to be depended on to base the batting

Robson, Ballance, Root, Ali..all good and no doubt will make a really good batting side for england in a couple, 3 years..but not now.

Bell is supposed to provide stability and experience,  but Bell has flattered all along in the company of Trott, Pietersen, a flowing Cook. now shorn of these players and Cook failing Bell has returned to his real self...an ordinary batsman who does not have it to carry the side on his own despite all his experience.

Swann cut himself prematurely. Panesar is crazy.  there are no replacements for those guys.

and another problem is that Moores is selecting players he wants on the side while ignoring others with good claims.  he could have made use of Carberry for year or 2..even in the middle of the order. Carberry has peaked at 33 and was ready for a lil run.  He should have been used up.  he would have been very useful in the games so far

if Moores is selecting his players, the ones he wants then his incompetence is even clearer, greater. he does not really know the players he picks and what they are capable of..now that he admits he does not understand what's going on.  he speaks like they are not playing up to their potential and it is mysterious why.

there is no mystery to it.  they are doing the best they can thats all..especially the new players..doing the best they can at this time. they will do better in time

Moores is incompetent and should be fired, the HC position done away with comple... to save us all from a**holes like Moores.
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I fully agree with you on Carberry. I think he can feel hard done by. At 33 his chances of getting a foot back in the Test team is going to be difficult, unless the impossible happens and Cook is dropped.

You really hit the nail on the head with Ian Bell. He is a nice accompanying player but not a stand out number 3 IMO.

#20
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Anderson is a dickhead so if England want a dickhead as captain they are very welcome.
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Anderson will end up in cricket Hall of Fame :

you saw Jimmeh dick ?

Lookit here, go and suck Sammy soothie  Tongue

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