Argument With Friend Nearing Resolution. We wont Be Friends Much Longer

mapoui · 04-13-2014, 03:22 PM · 1 person reading this discussion

#1
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/the-...ebola.html

and it is under Obama again.

you see what the Americans are doing under Obama in the world..how they are screwing the human species left and right?

they are poisoning everybody with ingredients that will kill off the human species...and it is the Jews who are central to this..Jews from whom all our  christian religions come...one major reason why I have consigned all christian religions to the garbage heap

there can be nothing good about christianity in any form.  once it is judeo it is evil, cannot help but be evil because the Jews have proven their evil is total, flawless.  look at what they are accused of doing man over history...2 world wars in which millions died..tens of smaller wars all through the last 2 centuries with countless lives lost..famines..every criminal activity imaginable..GMO manipulation..pollution everywhere.

it seems like its fun to them to do these things with and to the human species.

and now it is all crowned by a black king, Obama.. atop the heap hurling evil thunderbolts left and right at the human population..even at africa the motherland of the species...his motherland more directly

I will bet any money that secretly Obama is a Jew.  converted and kept quiet.  Obama's behaviour, his absolute consistency with Jewish behaviour as president proves this beyond doubt.  only a man who believes his evil is superior can do such things to other human beings.

that is what I told you from the start..or what you sensed I felt about Obama as you have mentioned in one of your notes to me..that he is absolutely evil.  and he is..the devil himself.

Obama once joked that he would send drones to kill guys who looked at his daughters with sexual eyes.  by now he will have to use the military to round them up for the girls to force their choices to go with them.  I don't see anyone who would want to deal with those girls given who their parents are..given what Obama has done and is doing to the world.

given all the scientific vids I have sent to you by now you should have an impression of how far the new, more realistic sciences have gone in proving the wide universal truth that removes totally, any grounding for the bible and the religious bulls*** we have been given as truth.  it is time to move on from that nonsense, see what we have and live on it while going for more and more.  we must know truth in order to survive.. not this great Jewish collage of s*** that is religion/education in the world

lies all around man.  people like teachers...  you...must use your skill and comparative analysis to get to more truth, organize it in teachable ways and teach that truth as much as you can, as saving information that people can use to liberate themselves and save the species.  no christian nonsense can save us.  no god is coming back..never, at all at all. 

what the hell will a god come back for us for?  that is total nonsense...illogical to the bone

what the hell anyone will do or can do with a human species such as we are.  you ever see such a rotten, corrupt collection of  life forms such as we?

we have failed utterly as a species.  so god is going to come back to reward us for our failure eh... then take us to a heaven where life is sweet forever, on fleecy clouds for all the evil we have committed against ourselves and environment over the centuries?

that turns logic on its head does it not?

and what can god possibly be but an evolutionary entity, whose knowledge and capability we simply would not be able to comprehend and deal with. so what is such a god going to do..save humanity from itself and let it go on until it arrives at a level of development/evolution at which point it can begin a relationship with such a superior intellect?

again total illogic.  we are going to have to make it in the universe on our own.  there is no point saving a species that cant save itself.  that is a law even in human social life.  if you someone cant and wont save themselves can someone  save you? 

you can take a horse to water but cant force it to drink!

what the hell are you going to do..put the horse on a medic table, knock it out and put a tube down its throat and feed it water intravenously..until it promises to drink water now that it knows where the river is at ::confused::

THERE IS NO DAM GOD AS YOU BELIEVE THERE IS.  AND NO DAM GOD IS COMING BACK TO SAVE HUMANITY OR AWAITS HUMANITY WHEN WE DIE.

HUMANITY IS A PIECE OF BIOLOGICAL SHHITE..A DUMB SPECIES, UNTIL WE SMARTEN UP COLLECTIVELY, OR KILL OFF OURSELVES.

that's it right there..that and nothing more.  the universe is endless and very complex by now, a word of complexity that will occupy us forever if we survive ourselves, to take the chances of the universe.

all that we fight over here on earth is gold and money, power over our fellow man, and woman... while the universe awaits.  you see how backward jackass it all is.  stupid like shite.  and that is what you await a god to come back and save...a god that has beaten the challenges of the universe to become god..for that is the only way any god can be..EVOLUTIONARY LIKE US.

and the  crappy, absolutely murderous Jewish people are his chosen?
I have to laff.

wait if you wish instead of using you human skill in a positive way.  but I assure you that there is no god like your god.  or if there is one it is more like mine..evolutionary.  and no one is coming to save humanity, or to take any of us to heaven..neither you, me or Bill Gates..a man so evil that words fail..like Obama.

Gates has been giving so many vaccinations in Africa I cant wait to see the linkage made between his 'work' and the Ebola outbreak

#2
Quote:The Troubling Truth Behind the Ebola Outbreak
Tony Cartalucci
Activist Post

In the Guardian’s article, “Panic as deadly Ebola virus spreads across West Africa,” it reports:
Since the outbreak of the deadly strain of Zaire Ebola in Guinea in February, around 90 people have died as the disease has travelled to neighbouring Sierra Leone, Liberia and Mali. The outbreak has sent shock waves through communities who know little of the disease or how it is transmitted. The cases in Mali have added to fears that it is spreading through West Africa.
The Guardian also reported that Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), also known in English as Doctors Without Borders, had established treatment centers in Guinea, one of which came under attack as locals accused the foreign aid group of bringing the disease into the country. Also under fire is the government of Guinea itself, which has proved incapable of handling the crisis.

This latest outbreak, which has yet to be contained and is being considered by Doctors Without Borders as an “unprecedented epidemic,” illustrates several troubling truths about global health care, emergency response to outbreaks, and the perception many have of a West subjecting the developing world to a “medical tyranny.”

#3
Quote:This latest outbreak, which has yet to be contained and is being considered by Doctors Without Borders as an “unprecedented epidemic,” illustrates several troubling truths about global health care, emergency response to outbreaks, and the perception many have of a West subjecting the developing world to a “medical tyranny.”

Failure to Prepare

In 2012, when Doctors Without Borders concluded its response to an Ebola outbreak in Uganda, it claimed in its post, “MSF Concludes Emergency Ebola Response in Uganda,” that:
The Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) emergency response to an outbreak of Ebola in Uganda has come to an end. The MSF team handed over the Ebola treatment center it set up in Uganda’s western Kibaale district to the Ugandan Ministry of Health (MoH).



The statement also claimed:
As part of a preparation plan for future outbreaks, MSF also restored a treatment unit in Mulago hospital, located in Kampala, Uganda’s capital. “Uganda has developed the capacity to respond to Ebola emergencies,” said MSF emergency coordinator Olimpia de la Rosa. “We can rely on the capability of Ministry of Health staff to take over and manage Ebola cases with all safety guarantees.”
One must wonder then, if MSF and other global health agencies can train Ugandan medical staff and hand over responsibilities to prevent a future outbreak to the government of Uganda, why haven’t similar provisions been undertaken in nations like Guinea, Liberia, Mali, and Sierra Leone. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), Ebola outbreaks occur “primarily in remote villages in Central and West Africa, near tropical rainforests.” Why then have nations in Central and West Africa not been prepared for such outbreaks – particularly when the many of the nations that back MSF are already heavily involved in the internal affairs of many of these nations?

#4
Quote:France alone has expended hundreds of millions of euros during its ongoing military operations in Mali, reported by France 24 in 2013 to be costing the European nation approximately 2.7 million euros a day. Money spent on costly military operations designed to project Western hegemony across Northern and Western Africa, an extension of the West’s intervention in Libya, would lead one to believe that funds should also be available to prevent “unprecedented epidemics” of deadly diseases like Ebola, but apparently the same preparations made in Uganda have been neglected in French-occupied Mali, as well as other Ebola-prone nations.

While the West poses as chief arbiter of humanity and through its international organizations, intervening when crises strike, its failure to prepare other nations prone to Ebola outbreaks with a management formula already perfected in Uganda at the very least shakes public confidence and trust. When it intervenes in these very nations for geopolitical ambitions under the pretenses of “democracy,” “development,” and “human rights” but utterly fails to address the dire needs of the very people it claims to be rushing to the aid of, such confidence and trust is only further shaken.

#5
Quote:Distrust Leads to Suspicion

While MSF and the government of Guinea claim mobs that attacked MSF workers were simply panicking, there exists troubling truths regarding the West and their use of chemical and biological agents for both experiments and as part of advancing their geopolitical ambitions that may have led to real genuine fears among locals that the Ebola outbreak was intentional.

The devastation left in the wake of Agent Orange used during the Vietnam War, and the ongoing tragedy unfolding as a result from America’s use of depleted uranium in Iraq are two extreme examples of how the West subjected entire populations to mutagenic agents that have sown horrific birth defects, fatal degenerative conditions, and maladies that will reverberate down through generations to come. Of particular concern is the role that supposedly neutral international agencies played in attempting to cover up these atrocities.

The Guardian’s article, “How the World Health Organisation covered up Iraq’s nuclear nightmare,” illustrates how the WHO’s conclusions were manipulated by politicized science, and offers the world a cautionary tale of how organizations like the UN and WHO cannot be entrusted to oversee issues of human health, our environment, or anything else upon which humanity’s existence hinges.

Beyond Agent Orange and depleted uranium, the UN and US stand accused of hundreds of thousands of forced sterilizations in Peru from 1995 to 1997.

#6
Quote: There was also the NBC News report titled, “U.S. apologizes for Guatemala STD experiments,” that stated:
U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients, with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission more than 60 years ago.
Many of those infected were encouraged to pass the infection onto others as part of the study.
About one third of those who were infected never got adequate treatment.
More troubling still are the words from Western policy makers and politicians themselves. The prospect of using genospecific bioweapons was mentioned in the Neo-Conservative Project for a New American Century’s (PNAC) 2000 report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” (.pdf) which stated:
The proliferation of ballistic and cruise missiles and long-range unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) will make it much easier to project military power around the globe. Munitions themselves will become increasingly accurate, while new methods of attack – electronic, “non-lethal,” biological – will be more widely available. (p.71 of .pdf)
Although it may take several decade for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and “combat” likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of microbes. (p.72 of .pdf)
And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. (p.72 of .pdf)
When Western policy makers regard “forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes” as “politically useful tools,” and with their proven track record of using chemical and biological agents on populations in both experiments and during protracted conflicts, it is not mere “panic” that creates the anger that led to violence aimed at MSF workers in Guinea.

#7
Quote:Those None Can Trust, Can Help No One

Whether the latest outbreak of Ebola is part of some conspiracy or not may never be known. The central issue is the lack of trust Western agencies have when they attempt to respond to a crisis. Wrought not from irrational fears but from decades of abuse, atrocities, and exploitation, this lack of trust has rendered much of what the West does beyond its borders today increasingly impotent, and even at times counterproductive.

Those in the MSF that are truly attempting to help are unable to because of the misdeeds of those in the Western governments that back the organization. When MSF played a central role in aiding and abetting terrorists operating in Syria, including propping up fabrications regarding the August 2013 chemical weapons attack in Damascus, it only further undermined the trust and confidence required to allow genuine members and affiliates of their organization to do their jobs elsewhere around the world.

And if the West fails in its function as sole arbiter of humanity, what then should nations around the world do? That answer is quite simple.They must subscribe to a multipolar world with multipolar agencies that collaborate and cooperate rather than exist in constant and precarious dependence on the West and their “international organizations.” For the nations of North and Western Africa that face potential Ebola outbreaks – or for nations across Asia facing similar fears regarding severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), they themselves must find international partners, not to depend on in a time of crisis, but to train and prepare them nations’ health workers to be self-sufficient and capable of handling outbreaks before they occur.

#8
Quote:Part of what some perceive as the West’s “medical tyranny,” is its creation of circumstances in which subject nations constantly rely on them for aid, expertise, and assistance. Such dependence is contrary to national sovereignty and endangers the freedom and security of individuals within that nation. In Guinea, the government’s inability to handle the crisis has allowed it to grow to dangerous proportions, while necessitating the inclusion of foreign agencies the public simply doesn’t trust. It is an indictment against so-called “international health” organizations, including WHO, and the many Western-backed agencies that work in the field on its behalf.

Nations must begin taking responsibility themselves for dealing with outbreaks, and partner nations should guide them in doing so, not holding their hand each time a crisis develops. The latest outbreak of Ebola across Western Africa illustrates how sorely ill-suited the West’s “international” agencies are in protecting the global population, and how the global population would be better served by finding ways to protect themselves.

#9
we have been friends for a long time..and we have argued about religion and god and a lot of other things.

but at this stage I am tired of all the crap, the games and deceits in the process.  too much is known now and clear to us all in the crisis we are all engulfed in now.  it is time for truth and survival..  things are immediate now..no more time to play around

he will not speak to me for the way I speak of his god and religion.  I give a phuck!  it is all a lie.

the Jewish people wrote the bible to give themselves a social history and pedigree they do not have.  the forensic archaeologists cant find a shred of evidence that proves any thing at all in the bible.. or about the Jewish provenance we have been taught.  there was no David or Solomon..no great kingdoms and such like.  there is no chosen people..all lies!

all of that hides the great evil done in the world by those very same chosen ones..and the religious nonsense gives us no chance of confronting the evil with a view to correction and social change that saves the human species

#10
my point from the start is exactly what is exposed here:  that this Ebola outbreak is in sync with the level of the damage done by GMO, and the spread of Depleted Uranium in the american wars around the world..and that as we  go the evidence will mount to prove my point

the human species is under attack.  we are already in a world war and we don't know it.  the people of the world are getting killed by the millions every day in a war declared on us..a secret war and we don't know and do not fight back as a result

that was my argument and here it begins..the revelations of what I know.  how do I know..by knowing society and how it works..the economic system in particular.  by knowing class society and its meaning in reality..by knowing human history and how we have behaved form day one evolving up to this current stage.  one comes to understanding by which we know ourselves and each other and so can predict behaviour individually, collectively socially, by class and class interests

the evidence is all there.  it is approach by analysis not through the eyes of religious doctrine but by facts, science...sight not faith.

Ebola breaks out in Africa..a disease that was never known to the world in all its history up till a few decades ago.  then there is west Nile..another one that was also never known..and previously AIDS..another disease that was never known....

africa became a veritable factory of production of new diseases all of particularly virulent nature, killing swiftly, or in terrible prolonged fashion... no cures at all. and all palliative medicines very expensive, horribly expensive and profitable for the pharmaceutical industry, mostly or wholly owned by one ethnic group.

what would be the odds on Africa producing so many deadly diseases in such a short space of time?  is there any historical precedent for any such thing happening?  and what has happened since the last great modern disease out of africa?

none..not one in the last generation or so!  just as suddenly the 'factory' has stopped producing great, killing diseases'

totally logical in only one way:  that some one is manufacturing diseases and framing up africa for them, with the aim ultimately of killing the entire african population..or weakening the african population so greatly, invasion and taking over of the continent will be a cakewalk.  the continent would be virtually empty

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