The Sickness Continues!

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=87342.msg547321#msg547321 date=1391271471]

Ramesh may be angry at me for my attitude towards west indian black people but I don't see how lies would help us.
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I dont think ramesh wanna uphold lies. It is a bitter pill to swallow as a Pan African.

Do U think as an Indo I am proud of Guyana Indo leadership ?? Hell, NO !

BUT I am prepared to blame the non development of Guyana's economy on the corrupt Indo ministers !

Reality , Mapster  is a B!tch !!

Mail ,

Mapoui has always been consistent ......No Forrin !

work with the star studded Legends locally !

Quote:They do know what has to be done BUT the greed is too powerful a factor !

Mind you ,  west indian Indos are no different as evidenced by the change of Government in Guyana.

greed thats right..thatis the emptiness and lack of principle,  the razed social perspective that brings nutten to the table.

Indos are different in that they do bring someting to the table..Indianness that contains attitudes that results in the kind of power Indians have achieved globally.

it is not a moral power, an ethical power as we can see clearly..but it is a darn sight better that what nig nogs bring to any dam table at the moment anywhere in the world

apart from almost 100% failure of black states since the age of independence we have gone from MLK and Malcolm to Mandella and Obama, Tu Tu. to Zuma and Koffi Annan to mass murders and genocidists of their own people Paul Kagame and Yoweri Musaveni

there is a lot of Indian killin Indians too but we do not have the benefits that results from Indian movement in the black world.  there is not a nuclear weapon anywhere in the black world. 

[size=18pt]nelson mandell voluntarily gave them up.  sweet eh![/size]

in a 100 years Nelson Mandella may well come to be considered to be among the greatest traitors of all time.  Obama too!

Quote:This would be a travesty as I have continually preached you cannot replace one form of injustice with another. The WICB needs rationalisation and to become representative. One pure numbers it would be hard to argue they are not representative This would be a travesty as I have continually preached you cannot replace one form of injustice with another. The WICB needs rationalisation and to become representative. One pure numbers it would be hard to argue they are not representative but all but Indians have had representation at the highest level and as you pointed out they are the Captains of Industryat the highest level and as you pointed out they are the Captains of Industry

Mail wat are you talking about ::confused::

it comes down to functionality..what works and can go on as a result and what does not and cease to exist because it cant.

it goes on because it is efficacious enough to achieve survival in existential conditions.

I have posed that lack of independence does not work..dependency does not work, is not a long term model for the achievement of anything positive.  you cannot guarantee anything as far as such guarantees go by dependence

if dependency guarantees anything at all it guarantees failure, and more failure until you cant fail no more in which case you have achieved death.

how the hell will you be able to survive if someone else earns your bread.  if they stop feeding you what do you do? 

you have to learn fast how to make bread..and if you cant...... ::confused::

it is not a competition between injustices but between efficacies

Quote: but all but Indians have had representation at the highest level

you are dead wrong in that you know.  we have all the evidence we need relative to Indos in power in west indian life.  indo have been fully represented for a long time in west indian life. 

but the problem may lie in what you mean by representation.  you are going to have to define dat ::LOL:: ::LOL::

Ketch,


I know Mappappe has been consistent and I ask the question would his views be the same if  the Director was a Black Englishman?


If yes then I get the point about no 'Forrin' as you put it.


However with regard to Richard Pybus, his hue is always at the center or the debate which more than borders on racism.


As it happens I agree that we should not have 'forrin' coaches where it can be avoided.


We have had foreign coaches in both football and cricket for quite some time now and it was a bitter pill to swallow and I still feel we should have English Coaches. In fact the only English Coach in Cricket, Moores, was ousted due to the shenanigans of a Saffer!!!


So I get that point very clearly.

Mapster,


I was referring to representation at the WICB.


West indies life I am fully cognisant of their Industry and influence.

Mail ,

exactly the point ...I subscribe to Local everything as well ...After all we are far more qualified in Cricket !

Cricket in the Caribbean has the most successful history of Legends.

Mapoui dislike of a Head Coach and other Layers of bureaucracy is also a relevant point !

I want Mappippee to answer.


Mappippe and I are on the same page with respect to the Coach, Captain and the unnecessary baggage at the WICB gravy train re the Wilkins recommendations.

no my view would be no different were  it a black englishman.

I would be be even more stringent with a black englishman given the way black people are with each other and our collective interest.  the hostility to black interests by white and black  can be a Nile you know.

rare are the black people who understand the collective interest of black and the class nature of society and side with their black and class interest..represent those interest in their routine life.  most are in traitorous mind relatively to those interests

with west indians we are citizens and I don't have to worry about the forriner.  most west indians poor, middle or rich are of petit bourgeoise outlook and world view, in which is embedded our dependence and love of the white skin, placing it in preferential place in our life and lives.  so I don't expect miracles from black people in charge in the west indies as well.

yet everything depends on the conditions.  we have maintained a neo colonialist system that develops and feeds that sort of outlook on life although west indians do not have much success in actualising that petit bourgeoise thing.  we are poor ketching we arse but we all want to be king..think like kings, try to live like kings.

if we manage to tweak that into a  workable nationalism we can get something out of west indians in a structure so built, so informed.  we can become at least in cricket world beaters as we once were.

we would have to re-connect the cricket to the people one time too.  that is now a missing ingredient, having been broken over the last 20 years by the black wicb..deliberately policy.

but you have to realize that we have gone for Pie Bus because we are they way we are..love white and have no faith in our selves for our own development, despite what we want we ourselves achieved previously most magnificently..with a white wicbc as a significant difference. 

yet the brains and charisma behind it were black in the forms of Worrell and lloyd in particular.

all of which is why I insist that social change is a prerequisite for cricket resurgence for the idea than energises that resurgence..independent movement.. does not exist in our neo colonial dispensation.  and it does not happen...is not happening in a the current neo colonial dispensation.

there is no on up there who thinks like that..independently, in a nationalistic manner.  there are few on the west indian street who think like that.  there are few on this board here who think like that.  don't you see ::confused::

Imagine I am called racist for opposing the selection of Pie Bus.

yet on the ground there is no reason at all to support the employment of Pie Bus,  a whole world of reasons to go the opposite given our historical experience.  and that is right up in our faces reason and experience available right there, here and now. but we do not examine that bunch of fact.. especially on my instigation when I oppose the Pie Bus. but they accuse me anyway of racism.

you see how stupid it is ::confused::

and you know something.  if a white man had argued just like I have against Pie Bus they they would examine all I said that he too would have said... but they would be instigated by him not by me. 

that is because the white skin has priority in our life and not skin like mine. 

that is the content of west indian neo colonial reality.  and only in the rise of its opposition.. a movement that at once conditions people properly, nationalistically, changes racial perspectives so that we can love ourselves and place ourselves first in our own estimation..i.e a restoration of the peoples subjectivity... and raises a class to power that puts these right ideas into practice.. can we reverse the poisoned reality and rise above it

that is why I said no resurgence save general ground-up social reform

we have to change the basis of how we make our living to independent ways..rooting out the dependency by which we now live.

[size=14pt]that is why I harp and harp on and on about independence.  it is the only way to go to change the west indian culture which is one of failure and death, of begging and parasitism. 

we cant stand up on our hind legs because we have not been taught to.  and the way we make our living because all we know is begging.. reinforces the begging and led to our current failed state of life..not only cricket but life in general[/size]