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Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
I ask because it appears to be a huge 'problem' in the West Indies
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20191103/despite-taboo-incest-alive-jamaica
Incest, or ‘family ram’, is an issue that persons still dare not talk about openly in Jamaica and it is for this reason that the most vulnerable appear to not be receiving the help they deserve, experts say.
The Sexual Offences Act states that incest is committed by a male or female who willingly has sexual intercourse with another person, knowing that the other person is related by whole blood or half blood.
If a stepfather, however, has intercourse with his underage stepdaughter, it is instead listed as sexual intercourse with a person under 16 or rape.
Jamaica Constabulary Force Statistics and Information Management Unit data covering 2014 to 2018 shows that fewer persons are coming forward to report cases of incest. At the end of 2018, the reported cases had decreased by 58 per cent since 2014 across multiple divisions. Over the period, the total number of cases reported was 182.
According to Deputy Superintendent of Police Samantha Daley, who is in charge of administration at the Investigation of Sexual Offences and Child Abuse (CISOCA), the stigma of being abused by a relative might prevent more victims from coming forward, although most cases are usually reported by the victims themselves.
“Say I am your father and I am having sex with you. You are going to be less likely to report me because I am the one sending you go school and I buy you what you need. I am the breadwinner in the house. So, you have those kinds of situations, but then you have instances where some persons can’t take the situation anymore and just say ‘me no business, if a you a pay this or that, whatever waan happen, happen. This nah go no further’.”
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
Trinidad
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/06/01/psychologists-incest-too-readily-accepted/
Dr Diane Douglas and Dr Karen Moore, respectively representing the Institute of Gender and Development Studies of the University of the West Indies, St Augustine, and the TT Association of Psychologists, on March 19 testified at a private sitting of the Senate Select Committee on the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill 2019.
Committee member Paul Richards asked if there exist any problems of sexual deviance unique to TT.
Douglas said in her experience as a clinician, there exist two problems in TT that she had not heard of in North America, firstly incest and secondly low-intellect adults unaware of boundaries.
“One has to do with communities where incest is seen as the norm, and unfortunately for us in TT we have communities like that.”
She said in those communities an incestuous relationship with a child is seen by some adults as a rite of passage.
“So what happens, some of these children, of course, grow into adults and then continue with the same mindset that it is okay then to be sexual with a minor.”
Moore elaborated on Douglas’s statement that incest is endemic in certain communities.
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
https://truenation.websitetoolbox.com/post/incest-in-jamaica-2884300
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/08/20/sports/3m-bail-ex-windies-cricketer-incest-charge/
Who is this Ketchim...38 years old - born 1981 Trinidad. shud not be too hard to sus out
https://www.thedominican.net/2014/08/cricketer-in-court-on-incest.html
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
Trinidad and Tobago: Incest A very big problem
https://caribbean-webcrat.blogspot.com/2010/01/trinidad-and-tobago-incest-very-big.html
Quote:Incest has been described as “a very big problem” in Trinidad and Tobago, which needs to be seriously addressed.
“It is a huge problem. People do not want to face what is really going on. Most perpetrators are well known to the family. They can be a stepfather, uncle,” said Glennis Hyacenth, executive director of Advocates for Safe Parenthood: Improving Reproductive Equity (ASPIRE).
She said this was a difficult situation for families to face and they prefer to keep it quiet. They also ignore the pregnancy. In an interview with Newsday, Hyacenth said children from 11 to 14 years go to hospitals and have their babies and no reports are made to the police stations.
Statutory rape–sex with someone under the age of 16 is also a problem which ASPIRE said had to be addressed. Hyacenth said the fathers of the babies being born to young girls were men who were “quite older”.
She described the draft gender policy as “a total disappointment” with respect to sexual and reproductive health of women and youths. ASPIRE has spent years lobbying for reform of TT’s abortion laws but has not been able to get discussion on the government agenda.
Hyacenth said for the past two years, the focus has been on the development of policies and protocols for safe and legal terminations of pregnancy. abortions are legal under certain circumstances such as saving a life, preserving the mental and physical health of the woman.
“Many health care professionals and policy makers are not very clear on what the law is. We are pushing that message that abortion is legal therefore policy guidelines and policies are needed for that legal ambit of the law.”
ASPIRE has been lobbying through education and heightening awareness with different interest groups.
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
https://www.researchgate.net/publication
/257695702_Vice_is_Nice_But_Incest_is_Best_The_Problem_of_a_Moral_Taboo
A long research PDF examining the issue of incest. its useful!
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
http://uncommonjournalism.blogspot.com/2016/08/an-interview-with-incest-advocate.html
An Interview with An Incest Advocate
In Feb. 2016, 36-year-old Monica Mares and her 19-year-old son Caleb Peterson of Clovis, N.M., were arrested and charged with incest - a fourth degree felony under state law.
The two were arraigned in April, but remained in custody for breaching a "no-contact order." Originally scheduled for Aug. 25, Mares' trial has been pushed back to late October. She and her son, who is receiving a separate trial, could potentially face a maximum penalty of $5,000 or three years in prison for their offense.
Although hesitant to speak with American media, the two have discussed their relationship in-depth to The Daily Mail.
"I never thought I was crazy for having these feelings because I didn't see her as my mom, it was more like going to a club and meeting a random person. It didn't feel wrong, it felt normal," Peterson, who was given up for adoption as an infant and met his mother for the first time last year, told the U.K. publication. "Honestly I never thought we would get into trouble for our relationship. We were both consenting adults - when it comes down to it. She's adult, I'm adult, I can make my own decisions. I never thought it would blow up into something like this."
The case raises many intriguing - and to some, unsettling - questions about the inherent privacy rights of consenting adults. Indeed, the case has become something of a flashpoint for proponents of "consanguinamory" - what is most commonly referred to, legally, as incest.
Perhaps surprising to some, there is a fairly sizable online contingent of pro-incest activists on the Web. Up until recently, most communities were more or less niche forums for individuals to anonymously discuss their inter-family relationships and "genetic sexual attraction" (or GSA) to their own kin. Many were hardly a step above fetish porn, with users inundating the message boards with lurid yarns instead of discussing the deeper nuances of the lifestyle.
But now there is a growing movement for consanguinamory proponents to "come out of the closet," so to speak, and rally for GSA acceptance. They have names like Lily's Gardener, so named after a popular romance series penned by Diane Rinella that focuses on the exploits of a heroine sexually involved with her brother. Other online communities, such as The Final Manifesto and Full Marriage Equality, wrap incest under a wider umbrella alongside polyamory and same sex relationships as consensual, non-harmful adult activities they argue legislatures have no business governing.
One of the most notable advocacy blogs on the net, simply titled Consanguinamory, is operated by a woman in her 30s in the United Kingdom, who uses the nom de plum "Jane Doe." Recently, Uncommon Journalism interviewed the founder of the site to shine more light on the blossoming pro-consanguinamory movement, outline the goals of pro-GSA acceptance efforts and make her case for why inter-family, consensual adult sexual relations should not only be legalized, but socially accepted a'la the LGBT movement.
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
https://theweek.com/articles/443410/how-liberals-are-unwittingly-paving-way-legalization-adult-incest
An article in opposition to incest
Quote:Sibling couple Patrick S. and Susan K., pictured with their daughter, tried to overturn Germany’s century-old incest law in 2006. (Idecon-team/dpa/Corbis)
You should really care that the German Ethics Council (a government committee) has pronounced that Germany's laws banning consensual incest between adult brothers and sisters ought to be abolished.
Now, it's not because Germany's laws directly affect the United States; they don't, of course. And even within Germany itself, the ruling party of Chancellor Angela Merkel has indicated that it doesn't plan on following the council's recommendation.
The reason why Americans — and especially American liberals — should care about the council's ruling is that it gives us a glimpse of America's future.
The German council's position is based on the claim that "the fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination" overrides all other moral considerations, including "the abstract idea of protection of the family." That is very similar to the rationales that have been used to uphold reproductive rights and to strike down bans on same-sex marriage throughout the United States. And we have every reason to think the same logic will eventually apply to bans on sibling incest in this country.
Many liberals will want to deny this, since it sounds like a slippery-slope argument, which social conservatives love to deploy but liberals prefer to mock and dismiss, often illustrated by outrageous and ill-informed quotations from Rick Santorum. But slippery-slope arguments are aren't always foolish. On the contrary, they can be powerful and persuasive when they simply point out that justifying activity A with reference to principle X opens the door to justifying activities B, C, and D, if they, too, conform to principle X. All it takes is someone to make a claim in favor of activity B, C, or D for that person to be granted the same rights as those making a claim in favor of activity A.
This is precisely what Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has been banging on about since his blistering dissent in Lawrence v. Texas, the 2003 decision that overturned Texas's anti-sodomy statute. Focusing less on the details of the Texas law, Scalia was primarily concerned that the libertarian rationale used to strike it down would apply just as well to any law seeking to regulate consensual sexual behavior, including bans on "bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity."
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
https://www.debate.org/opinions/is-consensual-incest-wrong
an open internet debate on the issue
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - mapoui - 12-04-2019
Definitely not pro-incest
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/ramifications-incest
Few subjects in psychiatry elicit more profound, visceral, and polarized reactions than incest—the occurrence of sexual behaviors between closely related individuals—behaviors that violate society’s most sacred and guarded taboos. Furthermore, few circumstances confront the psychiatrist with more complex, painful, and potentially problematic clinical dilemmas and challenges than the treatment of the incest victim and/or the management of situations in which incest has been suspected or alleged by one member of a family, and denied, often with both pain and outrage, by the accused and/or other members of that family.
The study of incest as an actual phenomenon rather than as a fantasy is a relatively recent event. In 1975, an authoritative text proclaimed that the incidence of father-daughter incest in the United States was 1 in a million families.1 Crucial contributions by feminist authors and traumatologists rapidly sensitized the profession to the frequency and importance of incest and its association with psychopathology.2-4 By 1986, Russell5 wrote that some form of father-daughter incestuous activity, ranging from minimal to brutal and aggressive, was found in approximately 1 in 20 families that included daughters and their natural fathers, and 1 in 7 families in which daughters resided with a stepfather. By the early 1990s, feminists, traumatologists, and contributors from the emerging study of dissociative disorders were engaged in a vigorous study of incest and the treatment of incest victims.
However, during this time, there emerged a trend of calling into question the recollections of those who reported incestuous abuse, mounting militant defenses of accused perpetrators. The rising number of incest accusations was attributed to faulty practices on the part of therapists who worked with patients who recalled incest, especially if the recollections had been absent from memory for some time and emerged either in the context of therapy or with the patient’s exposure to certain media, books, and practices. Clinicians were accused of suggesting abuse that had never occurred and of causing their patients’ memories to be contaminated with information and/or ideas that had planted erroneous ideas in their minds. Certain books and media were accused of encouraging false reports.
As a result, for over a decade and a half the study and treatment of incest has been under a cloud of suspicion that has impeded the advancement of knowledge about this devastating form of abuse. Scholars have backed away from even using the word, to the point that it has become difficult to research unless one searches under more bland and innocuous terms. Between the overall power of the incest taboo and scholars’ wish to avoid provoking acrimonious reactions to their work, the term “incest” has been receding from the literature.6 Even now, researchers rush to deny the frequency of incestuous abuse and to minimize its reality and the damage it can cause.7,8 However, a careful examination of the literature demonstrates that the arguments that childhood sexual mistreatment is not damaging are seriously flawed.
Ketchim: How Do You Think This Issue Shud be Handled - ketchim - 12-04-2019
mapoui post=377270 Wrote:there exist two problems in TT that she had not heard ofHerein lies the problem !
in North America[color=blue], [color=red]firstly incest and secondly low-intellect adults
This is regular everyday news in North America ~
spastics getting marrid all the time ~