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Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

http://thesaker.is/the-neoconservatives-and-the-coming-world-a-response-to-the-questions-of-a-virtual-friend/

Quote:In foreign policy, the Neocons defend “the military power of Democratic States in international relations in order to establish a new international order”. In a PNAC manifesto published in 1996, they laid out their quintessential thought and principles as follows:

-Moral clarity and benevolent hegemony;
-Preventing the emergence of a rival power;
-End of “complacency” towards dictatorships;
-Refusal of the decline of the American power because it is the first democratic power of the world;
-Upgrading of the military tool to respond to aggression.

The Neo-conservatives say they want a new international order based on freedom, according to the designs that are not those of Kant and Wilson, to which they reproach the impotence, but which take their source in the writings of Moses Maimonides and Saint Augustine. They criticize the United Nations and international law in the name of morality. At major international conferences, they prefer smaller coalitions according to the “mission-defines-the-coalition” principle. They support Israel. Their creed is interventionism. Therefore, the United States “must be recognized as the flagship nation of human rights and export democracy and freedom all over the world if need be by force”.



Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

Quote:Such was the opinion of Robert Kagan, co-founder with William Kristol of the PNAC. He was the originator of the letter of 26 January 1998 sent to Bill Clinton asking him to conduct another policy in Iraq, one with a view to toppling Saddam Hussein to preserve American interests in the Gulf. The same can be said about Robert Cooper, a British partisan of neoconservatism who advocated a doctrine of “imperialist liberalism” granting the “right” to “civilized countries” to use force against their “foreign ennemies” (5).

It was, however, President G. W. Bush who is notoriously known for having endorsed and put in practice these neo-conservative principles. He did so by invading Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 through an extreme instrumentalization of the unfortunate though “miraculous” events of 11 September 2001. In his 31 December 2005 State of the Union Address, he explained that there is no question of satisfying the “false comfort of isolationism”, which ends in “danger and decline”. America must “lead” the world. It’s a security imperative. “The alternative to American leadership is a much more dangerous and anxious world.” In his view, America must therefore continue to “act boldly in favour of freedom”. And as in 1945 “when she liberated the camps of death, she must accept the call of history to deliver the oppressed”, Half the world lives in a democracy, he said. “We do not forget the other half, in countries like Syria, Burma, Zimbabwe, North Korea and Iran because the demands of justice and the Peace of the world also require their freedom” (6).



Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - ketchim - 08-03-2017

bro, its all about Oil

no matter all the FAKE news....

by luck of the draw these Folks sitting on what Amrica covet

no matter how dem Spin.....


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=110724.msg744231#msg744231 date=1501771658]
bro, its all about Oil

no matter all the FAKE news....

by luck of the draw these Folks sitting on what Amrica covet

no matter how dem Spin.....
[/quote]

its more than just oil.  the article is self explanatory.

its systematic/the system depends on its expansion to survive.  as such we know who the enemies are and how they have behaved, and continue to behave as we go....

there is no doubt anymore.  what I am asking is how you end commenting generally negatively, never making full use of obvious truth...why you end up defending awful people like lil Trudeau for example..he and his father for eg.

I mean I too was fooled by his father..no politician i loved more dearly.  but I grew up you see and saw the truth.  what is true, is true and that is that.  what else will you be guided by..lies ::confused::  that wud be insane, suicidal.  if you are not guided by truth, especially as an ordinary person of color in the world as it is.
as such you wud be ah man with ear phones on, walking busy streets  listening to the radio in your pocket ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - Watooka - 08-03-2017

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=110724.msg744236#msg744236 date=1501772731]
its more than just oil.  the article is self explanatory.
[/quote]
You put your knowledge and trust down to an article? It's an analysis and view point  held by someone, not a research paper.


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

[quote author=Watooka link=topic=110724.msg744294#msg744294 date=1501788861]
You put your knowledge and trust down to an article? It's an analysis and view point  held by someone, not a research paper.
[/quote]

true to a literal extent..but it is also what I know that led to the thread and my claims.  we do have a crisis of the failure of capitalism...but it is why, how come there is a crisis..anyone responsible

yes there are some who are responsible.  their deliberate way of doing business has caused the problem..and even worse where it is leading beyond this what we have right now...

THAT IS WHAT ALLYUH NEED TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND.

YES THAT CRISIS HAS ALSO LED TO EFFORTS BY STATES TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THE CRISIS CREATED BY THE MONEY  MEN.  OF COURSE THE STATES KNOW THE WHY HOW AND WHO OF THE PROBLEM AND WHATS HAPPENING ND EVEN MORE OF WHATS IN STORE.... WHICH IS WHY DEH LOOKING

Ketchim not lookin' at it dat way so he ignores the 11 hundred pounds gorilla in the room.  the states ignore it too.  deh do not point fingers but all the same deh looking to make way for when push comes to shove


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - ketchim - 08-03-2017

bro, if i was to read every blowhard writing an article on the 'Net

I would be in front of a computer 24-7 !

a whole heap of bull !

Look I start Caribana from 5 today and I gawn soon !


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=110724.msg744302#msg744302 date=1501789816]
bro, if i was to read every blowhard writing an article on the 'Net

I would be in front of a computer 24-7 !

a whole heap of bull !

Look I start Caribana from 5 today and I gawn soon !
[/quote]

you see you always talking nonsense..what every blowhard thing you talking about ::confused::

that is a very well thought out and reported opinion that is consistent with a whole body of fact we all know.  you and watooka disagree because you have an opposed point of view we also know well..and if not can imply based on all we have seen of you both here in these pages

is Iraq burning..Syria..Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Parts of Pakistan..Qatar now threatening too ::confused::

unless they burned demselves somebody else did it..why ::confused::

and what does it mean for ordinary little us here trying to live...... ::confused::

we know some truth and HAVE VESTED INTEREST IN THESE ISSUES AND THEIR OUTCOMES.  THE WORLD IS KNOWABLE AND IF DAT IS TRUE THEN THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD AND WE MUST AGREE WITH WHAT WE PROVED ABOUT IT SO FAR.

YOU CANT HAVE OPINION ABOUT WHAT IS PROVED TO BE WHAT IT IS..IT IS WHAT IT IS AND BASED ON OUR KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH WE CAN DEAL WITH ALL WE ENCOUNTER AS WE GO, CARRYING OUR OWN INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONTINUE TO LIVE..LIFE WE MUST EARN FUH PHUCK SAKES. 

SO WE CAN AGREE WITH WHAT IS CLEARLY TRUE AND DEAL WITH ALL SUCH AS THAT ARTICLE EASILY..SIFT OUT ITS VALUE AND DUMP THE REST.  IT IS ONLY A GIVEN UP TO A POINT.  IF WE CAN EARN AS WE GO WE LOSE IT TUH RARSE..THE GIVEN PART

WE WE CAN SIFT THAT ARTICLE FOR VALUE...BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF A VERY REPUTABLE SOURCE..THE JOURNO HAS A STRONG GLOBAL REPUTATION AND AS WE CAN SEE THE ARTICLE IS SOUND INDEED




Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - Watooka - 08-03-2017

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=110724.msg744309#msg744309 date=1501790649]
you see you always talking nonsense..what every blowhard thing you talking about ::confused::
[/quote]
Failing to understand someone else, whether it is due to lack of informed knowledge, unfamiliarity with the language spoken, or a disagreement with the point of view: you have not provided any evidence to back up your assertion. 


Re: Ketchim.. Wen You Talk You Mus' at Least Be So Informed - mapoui - 08-03-2017

[quote author=Watooka link=topic=110724.msg744315#msg744315 date=1501791677]
Failing to understand someone else, whether it is due to lack of informed knowledge, unfamiliarity with the language spoken, or a disagreement with the point of view: you have not provided any evidence to back up your assertion. 
[/quote]

you clearly do not understand whats going on do you!

that was ketchim..and this is between him and I. 

but however what the hell was I supposed to prove that I did not, that validated/validates ketchim's response  ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::