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The Return of the Coup in Latin America - mapoui - 04-26-2016
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/26/the-return-of-the-coup-in-latin-america/
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Venezuela and Brazil are the scenes of a new form of coup d’état that would set the continent’s political calendar back to its worst times. Meanwhile, in Argentina, the brutal model for the demolition of democracy is set forward by the continental oligarchic right and the hegemonic forces of US imperialism who wish to impose their model in the region.
As we can see in the previews that test the memory of the peoples in the continent, it is difficult to accept that the new types of coups are actually softer and more covert than those which Latin America suffered for so long.
What has been shown so far in Argentina is no less cruel, in terms of contempt for the masses, than the coups carried out by the bloodthirsty dictatorships that sprouted in time of Operation Condor.
In Venezuela the president of the opposition majority in the National Assembly, Henry Ramos, openly declares that in view of the severity of the economic crisis, he fails to see Maduro concluding his term and adds they should put an end to Nicolas Maduro’s legitimate government within six months. Such statements did not compel the Secretary General of the Organization of American States, Luis Almagro, to formulate even the mildest rejection to such a coup-like declaration. This indicates they are returning to the era of open and brutal coups in the backyard of the United States of America.
Meanwhile, in Argentina, the newly-elected president, Mauricio Macri, moves forward the implementation of his “democratic model†with a brutal demolition of all the advances the nation had made after the collapse it suffered as a result of the neo-liberal economic and political crisis from which it had been rescued by the consecutive popular governments of Nestor Kirchner and Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - mapoui - 04-26-2016
my argument is that the people of Argentina and Venezuela, despite 200 years of brutality at the hands of america, could not wait to elect again america's agents and representatives to run their countries despite what the left had done for them over the past 20 years..
Argentina and Venezuela were run into the ground, the people destitute their nations broke and broken. assassinations were rife, no freedom of speech or media, no freedom to strike or fight for better wages and working conditions, limited educational opportunities poor heal no access to health and so on
the left in Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brasil, Venezuela gave all that to the people.they had nothing at all before. in Venezuela they got free university education, medical services everything..YET THEY WENT AND VOTED THE DEVILS BACK INTO POWER.
[size=14pt]as far as I am concerned what is happening now is exactly what the people of these countries wanted so let them have it.
I was stunned when I saw the election results. so that is what all the fight was about, all the loss of life..the sacrifice of Chavez himself..so the people could give it all back just like that.. what had cost so much ::confused::
as I said martyrdom is pointless. there must be no more sacrifices in the name of and for the people.
the people..the people..people..the term that is so much in uses is a waste of time. the people are a waste of time. the people are not sacred. they are greedy, narrow minded, fickle and traitorous of their own very best interest.
that is why things never change... because the people in whose name all the progressive struggle is waged are rotten to the core. no matter what they cant wait to be enslaved again. I will not waste my time further as I watch what is going on in Latin America. absolutely stunning.
the people are not fighting for their best interest. they are giving it back to the americans by fighting their own best leaders..and voting them out of power
the Venezuela voting system in particular is above reproach so there is no case for stealing that election. the people voted in the rabid right wing who are taking back from them everything they have earned over the last 20 years under Chavez and Maduro.
it was inexcusable political behavior by the people...inexcusable..to vote in the right wing. but they did and now is wood fuh them. they will pay severely for doing that. let them enjoy what is coming up now. and next time let them go out in the streets and make their own revolution, lead it, do all they have to do for themselves. that indeed is the only way.. period.
and if they don't.. and cant make their own revolution so be it. crapaud smoke deh pipe, but no more martyrs for the people. eff the people when it come so![/size]
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - Lavos - 04-26-2016
LOL Is so amusing how filthy liars are the average leftist media propaganda. Luis Almagro is currently looking forward to activate something called "carta democrática", due to how the current venezuelan government is seizing by force the constitutional authority of the actual National Assembly. This does fit under a political breakdown scenario that justifies the effect of mechanism that suspend venezuelan government participation inside the OEA.
If they are so eager to denounce coup d'état. Then maybe they will be quite interested in how many coup d'états Maduro and his seized powers has already commited to the actual venezuelan constitution. And Dilma named Lula minister in order to prevent further investigations against him. How convenient She is already falling alongside him.
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - mapoui - 04-27-2016
the appearance of probably a paid dis-informant/dis-informer.
the establishment pays attention to lowly publications like this now..enough o send someone to spy and misinform and destabilize >
or is it jackass wifan again playing the arse with unacknowledged quotes fro real writers >
>get the disinfectant. wither way it is time to spray
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - seupaulo - 04-27-2016
Brazilian speaking here.... it is only a coup if you believe there is no crime in the current government, what is need to be prove. I know we are using bad people to remove even worst people of power... but what should we do?
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - mapoui - 04-27-2016
Quote:.. but what should we do?
get up yourself and take over..the people..and runs society according to the general interest.
that is what will stop all the nonsenss period..dead stop! and set society up for success.
no choice between evils lesser and greater will do. a little or a lot, evil is still evil and not an option
you ever hear of a peoples revolution. spontaneously, creating the new political forms to meet the needs of all as they go ::confused::
that is what the Russian people did in 1917 and it was manipulated away from them by the Bolshevik elites.
that is what the Chezh people did in 1968 and Hungarian people did in 1659 and the Russian state capitalism invaded and killed those efforts at popular democracy.
that is what is needed now..everywhere. spontaneous, directed by no party or organized group..popular democracy that creates as it goes the popular forms that meets all immediate social need on the spur. then addresses same way the long term national needs.
it has happened before, has worked before but so far has been defeated in every instance. well we must make sure the next time it happens it is not defeated.
screw the elites..all of them and their systems of exploitation of the people. put them to rest and now is the best time..while they are occupied fighting each other. rise up and toss all of them and their capitalism that has brought the human species to its knees.
that is what you can do..not wallow in choice between evils... greater and lesser >
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Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - Lavos - 04-27-2016
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the appearance of probably a paid dis-informant/dis-informer.
the establishment pays attention to lowly publications like this now..enough o send someone to spy and misinform and destabilize >
or is it jackass wifan again playing the arse with unacknowledged quotes fro real writers >
>get the disinfectant. wither way it is time to spray
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That wifan guy sounds cool.
The establishment doesn't need to pay spies or anything like that. Its enemies are very good in screwing up themselves that the only thing that It must do is sitting there and wait .
Re: The Return of the Coup in Latin America - mapoui - 04-27-2016
Quote:The establishment doesn't need to pay spies or anything like that. Its enemies are very good in screwing up themselves that the only thing that It must do is sitting there and wait
well Chavez did screw himself as I described above...he and now Maduro wasted a whole lot of time, did not do what they supposed to do, and gave the right the opportunity they needed to come back..aided by some truly unconscionable political behavior by the ordinary folk of Venezuela which they are already paying for.
far far far worse for them is to come
2 of the people who killed Chavez..their names does not come to my tongue right now. one is that test who was waving the flag on top of Miraflores during the action to reverse the coup.
Chavez was impressed and brought him in. he became personal assistant and chief of access to the president.
he was never trusted by others and when Chavez died he was turfed out to other work. then he got married applied to spend his honeymoon in the Domincan Republic from when he went to Spain..then flown from Spain the USA in an America DEA aircraft. he is now in the witness protection in america .
marriage and honeymoon was clearly a ruse to get ot of Venezuela which succeeded.
the next one was that woman who was a maid whom Chavez raised to Treasurer of Venezuela..whose name I also cant recall at the moment. she too has disappeared as far as I know but I don't know of any chronology of hers like I know of the other guy... who is likely more complicity than she was in the crime..although involved she certainly was
both of those people had full and routine access to Chavez, organized his meals had his clothes cleaned, set his appointments etc. no one else could have poisoned Chavez but those 2