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WI Best Players of Spin bowling - Googley - 09-26-2014
who are they and how would you rank them?
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - Rev Al - 09-26-2014
[quote author=Goog Lee link=topic=92970.msg590618#msg590618 date=1411743981]
who are they and how would you rank them?
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* Take a look at the batting averages of WI batsmen against subcontinent teams(India/Pak/Bang/SL)---min runs 1000:
Quote:[size=12pt]92.85 Weekes
85.41 Sobers
76.11 Walcott
61.55 Chanderpaul
56.65 Kanhai
52.67 Lloyd
52.62 Lara[/size]
* Click on the link to see the stats:
LINK: Stats
NOTE:
* Richards and Kali did not average 50+ against subcontinent teams.
Rev
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - Googley - 09-26-2014
ahh, interesting stats, Rev!
but is that how you would rank their ability to play spin, based on stats?
The stats is a good starting point but not everything.
for example, no one in their right mind would say that Chanderpaul is a better player of spin than Kalli!
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - Rev Al - 09-26-2014
[quote author=Goog Lee link=topic=92970.msg590624#msg590624 date=1411744781]
ahh, interesting stats, Rev!
but is that how you would rank their ability to play spin, based on stats?
The stats is a good starting point but not everything.
for example, no one in their right mind would say that Chanderpaul is a better player of spin than Kalli!
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* THE NUMBERS ARE REAL.
* Let's look at Kali and Shiv versus India.
Quote:[size=12pt]KALI: In 15 tests against India Kali scored 1229 runs at an average of 55.86 with 3 hundreds and 7 fifties.
SHIV: In 25 tests against India Shiv has scored 2171 runs at an avg of 63.85 with 7 hundreds and 10 fifties.[/size]
STATS
* The Rev never engages in arguing---I just present the numbers.
* No question Kali was a great player of spin, but the NUMBERS don't lie---Shiv has better numbers against India.
Rev
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - ketchim - 09-26-2014
Spin Bowling mus be looked at by Era :
Before and After the Invention of the Doosra and the Carom ball !!
Samjay ?
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - ketchim - 09-26-2014
We can ONLY guess at how older Batsmen would have negotiated those 2 deliveries !
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - Rev Al - 09-26-2014
[quote author=ketchim link=topic=92970.msg590631#msg590631 date=1411745327]
Spin Bowling mus be looked at by Era :
Before and After the Invention of the Doosra and the Carom ball !!
Samjay ?
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* Kali played from 1972 to 1980
* Was he the best in that period against India ?
* NOT BY A LONG SHOT
* Richards, Abbas, Lloyd and Miandad all averaged in the 60s against India between 72-80.
* Kalli averaged 55+
* See link for stats:
STATS
Rev
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - ketchim - 09-26-2014
None of them played Murali and saqlain Doosra and Carom balls...
and Warnie !
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - ketchim - 09-26-2014
Murali has over 700 TEST Scalps ....
Warnie and saq got nuff as well !
Gibbs from the other era just a tad over 300
Re: WI Best Players of Spin bowling - ketchim - 09-26-2014
I submit that Gibbs ,Ram and Val :
had NO idea of the Existence of these 2 deliveries.
Saq came along and invented One .....Methink Murali or warnie the other one !
Puss Achong was the Last previous Invention : the Chinaman