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Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - Nargis - 04-09-2013
or how to people become gay
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - chairman - 04-09-2013
[quote author=~Nargis~ link=topic=79052.msg493186#msg493186 date=1365539372]
why not? ive seen a gay couples raise straight children.
if your alluding to the assumption that a child surrounded by a gay couple is will make the child gay...then you will have to clarify on what GAY means.
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i am not saying they will make the child gay. just thinkin that havin two fathers will make a young child think its the choice.
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - Nargis - 04-09-2013
[quote author=The Chairman link=topic=79052.msg493188#msg493188 date=1365539529]
i am not saying they will make the child gay. just thinkin that havin two fathers will make a young child think its the choice.
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well wether or not they are brought up by homosexual parents, all children are exposed to homosexual acts in the media and could also show them they have a choice as you call it.
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - chairman - 04-09-2013
[quote author=~Nargis~ link=topic=79052.msg493189#msg493189 date=1365539793]
well wether or not they are brought up by homosexual parents, all children are exposed to homosexual acts in the media and could also show them they have a choice as you call it.
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i realize this grouping is a big part of society just wondering . have you met a male raised by gay males from lets say age 1 or 2
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - chairman - 04-09-2013
[quote author=~Nargis~ link=topic=79052.msg493186#msg493186 date=1365539372]
why not? ive seen a gay couples raise straight children.
if your alluding to the assumption that a child surrounded by a gay couple is will make the child gay...then you will have to clarify on what GAY means.
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in this debate by no means i want to advocate taking away anyone's civil or human rights but some points must be made.
so i ask you. are mothers and fathers interchangeable?
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - mapoui - 04-09-2013
Quote:in this debate by no means i want to advocate taking away anyone's civil or human rights but some points must be made.
so i ask you. are mothers and fathers interchangeable?
yuh see the issue chairman: this non-issue, this ridiculous, trumped up zero sum issue that we take seriously and debate leads nowhere save total frustration and no answer for there is none...none but no homosexual marriage and adoption.
I say this because look at you and nargis.. skewed, hoisted up on side issues opposed to each others...an issue so inter-related and pointless, nothing can be be separated out with any significant point or value to both sides. whoever comes out right there is no social benefit. so zero sum.
there is no benefit in all of it for society in homosexual activity..by creating official space for homosexuals enshrined in law
I was very sympathetic to the homosexual cause, but I am loosing it..getting mighty pissed-off at homosexuals and their blasted non issue, stuffing it in society's face all the time as if it can lead some where positive.
I hate to use such language but screw the homosexual issue. it is a non issue because it leads nowhere positive for humanity.
I would handle it this way...
no homosexual marriage...no homosexual adoption..which leads to the whole issue of children and their rights...THE MOST IMPORTANT AND MASSIVE ISSUE IN THE MIX THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS WAILING AND WEEPING FOR POSITIVE RESOLUTION NOT HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS FOR HARD-BACKED, ADULT, RAVING AND AGGRESSIVE HOMOSEXUALS OUT THERE BOTH MALE AND FEMALE.
SOCIETY SHUD GO A S FAR AS THIS:
COMMON LAW MARRIAGE IS ALREADY RECOGNISED AND WHERE SUCH HOMOSEXUAL UNIONS CROSS THE LAW AND THE WELFARE SYSTEM, SOCIETY MUST RECOGNISS THEM AS LEGIT WITH A VIEW TO USING THE LEGIT STATUS TO RESOLVE THE LEGAL QUESTIONS.
SO IF 2 MEN HAVE HAD A LONG-STANDING HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP AND ONE DIES..ALL THE ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE AS TO INHERITANCE, PENSIONS, WHATEVER ..MUST BE APPROACHED AS IF THE 2 WERE MARRIED AND THE SURVIVING PARTNER IS THE LEGIT INHERITOR..ESPECIALLY IF DEATH WAS INTESTATE.
SIMILARLY FOR 2 WOMEN..LESBIANS.
CASE RESOLVED AND CLOSED..BUT NO OFFICIAL CHURCH MARRIAGE..ON THE NATURAL GROUND THAT HOMOSEXUALITY CANNOT BE ON PAR WITH MARRIAGES THAT LEAD TO PROCREATION WHICH SOCIETY DEPENDS ON FOR GOING ON. HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT BREED SO IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH NATURAL INCREASE AND ADVANCE
NON RELIGIOUS, NON-PHILOSOPHICAL, NON BELIEF..SIMPLE BY WAY OF NATURES. NO...NON..NYET. PERIOD. SOCIETY CAN GO AS FAR AS RECOGNITION WHEN IT MATTERS COMMON RELATIONSHIPS. THATS IT
WHEN IT COMES TO NATURAL BORN CHILDREN OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO TURN OUT TO BE HOMOSEXUALS THEN THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO THEIR CHILDREN.. ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT MUST BE WORKED IN THE TOTAL AND URGENTLY NEEDED RESOLUTION OF SOME CHILDREN'S BILL OF RIGHTS.
CHILDREN IN THE WESTERN WORLD, CENTRED IN AMERICAN ARE NOTHING BUT CHATTEL, TO BE DISBURSED OF AS PEOPLE SEE FIT, FOR THEIR PROFIT AND PLEASURE.. AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY NEED CHILDREN FOR. WHAT I SEE IN THIS WORLD IS HELL FOR CHILDREN..MOST CHILDREN. PURE NAKED HELL.
AND THE MOST ADVANCED COUNTRIES AND SUPPOSEDLY MOST ADVANCED PEOPLES ARE THE MOST CULPABLE. I WILL PROVE MY POINT FURTHER ON.
but lesbians with their own children must be allowed to have her children...as long as she is a fit mother. and in making sure she is a fit mother she is innocent until it is certain she is a lousy mother and the children are better off with their father. in whihc case he is the first second resort and must deal with his children...with whatever assistance he may need being provided..just as it would be with the mother.
if a mother cannot deal with her children..or she dies... and their father is homosexual then he is the first second resort. he is their father and responsible. the state is not in the business of raising children. that is the right and responsibility of parents. and where the state can be of assistance in ensuring children are ok with their parents the state must do so..even when their parents are homosexual..natural born children..as clearly opposed to adoption
adoption is a process fraught with danger for children, for abuse of children, bribery and corruption to get children by unscrupulous operators to profit at the expense of children...homosexual pedophillia groups and worse..getting children for the transplant industry.
adoption is bad news. herds of the worst people in creation coalesce around adoption of children in the western world enough to make anyone here sick, crazy, stunned as to what goes on.
HENCE A BILL OF RIGHTS FOR CHILDREN IS CRUCIAL ALL OVER THE WORLD IN FACT..BUT URGENTLY IN THE WESTERN WORLD..AND ESPECIALLY IN THE USA.FROM THAT SITUATION...SO NONE AT ALL.
CHILDREN HAVE NO CHOICE AND THEY SHOULD HAVE. WE MUST ASSUME FOR CHILDREN THEY WOULD WISH TO HAVE THE BEST MOST NORMAL CHILDHOOD THEY CAN HAVE FREE FROM ANY THREAT OR ACTUALITY OF ABUSE[/s]
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - mapoui - 04-09-2013
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/29/putins-baby-crime/
Looking for an additional way to express their displeasure with the Magnitsky Act, Russian politicians co-opted a rider – a proposition long lobbied-for by veteran Duma Member Katherine Lakhova, professional pediatrician and head of the Duma’s Women, Children and Family Committee. Mrs Lakhova had for years fought her lonely crusade against foreign adoptions, with very little result, until last December when her addendum was abruptly adopted by the Duma.
Foreign adoption in Russia is a leftover from Yeltsin’s era. In Soviet days, orphans were taken care by the state system; there was simply no question of passing them abroad. In fact, it was much more common for foreign children to be brought into Russia, for example the “Spanish Kidsâ€, the orphaned children of Spanish anti-fascist fighters killed by Franco in the 1930’s. In the 1990’s, after the collapse of the USSR, with millions out of work and others busy stripping and selling whatever could be sold for cash, some clever entrepreneurs discovered an as-yet-untapped resource: children. There is a strong and growing demand for children by childless couples, by gay and single citizens – and, sad to say, by the ever-present pedophile rings and the burgeoning transplant industry. The market was willing to pay over $100,000 per child – a fortune in Yeltsin’s Russia. Officials were corrupted, doctors issued false certificates, and Russian children were trafficked abroad.
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - mapoui - 04-09-2013
Quote:One case to consider was that of Masha Allen, or the “DisneyWorld Girlâ€, as she was called by the US media. She was five years old in 1998 when she was shipped from her native Russia to come live with 41-year-old Matthew Mancuso, a single American millionaire and a rabid pedophile. “He legally adopted her from a Russian orphanage and brought her to his home in the small western Pennsylvania hamlet of Plum. Over the next five years, Mancuso sexually abused and exploited Masha, videotaping and photographing her in various stages of abuse, and posting the images on the Internet to share with others members of an online community of paedophiles and child pornography fans†– wrote Julian Assange about the case. She was rescued in 2003 by the FBI, and her abuser languishes in jail. The case became notorious, however, because the people responsible for allowing such an adoption to happen – in Russia and in the US – were never prosecuted or punished.
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - mapoui - 04-09-2013
Quote:The recent and traumatic case of Dima Yakovlev, whose American adopted name was Chase Harrison, provided the name for Mme Lakhova’s rider; in fact, the whole package has become known as Dima’s Law. Dima Yakovlev died of heatstroke after his adoptive father left him in a parked car for nine hours. Gene Weingarten received a Pulitzer Prize for his story on the case. Russians are particularly horrified that the negligent father remains unpunished by US courts. The tragedy began in Russia when little Dima was forcibly separated from his grandmother and sister by bribed officials, and his health certificate faked.
Re: Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial - mapoui - 04-09-2013
Quote:Both Maria Arbatova and Catherine Lakhova cite many similar, dreadful cases: children exported for the organ trade; children who vanished after being adopted by bogus parents; children adopted to be re-adopted; children dropped off at airports with one-way tickets back to Russia. These two women with very different world-views agree: adoptions abroad must be stopped. Unfortunately the adoption industry takes in some fifty million dollars every year, and this profit is currently shared between more than 80 US adoption agencies acting in Russia; such a lucrative business cannot be stamped out overnight. Before the new law, Lakhova was a lonely voice in the wilderness standing up against the political clout of the international adoption agencies, against the kind of leverage that can only be purchased by multi-million dollar profits. While both Arbatova and Lakhova are pleased that adoption to the US have stopped thanks to Dima’s Law, they will not be satisfied until there is an end to all overseas adoptions.