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Re: On the Bible....... - Watooka - 10-04-2017
[quote author=ketchim link=topic=111551.msg749304#msg749304 date=1507131595]
Like she says, it's a wonderful HISTORY book.
with a few inaccuracies...yes, there were no camels in that era
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Who told you that there were no camels in that area? Next thing you gonna tell us that there are no camels in Australia.
Re: On the Bible....... - ketchim - 10-04-2017
i will hook you up with bible thumper, ramesh
and era is different than area
Re: On the Bible....... - mapoui - 10-04-2017
Quote:Who told you that there were no camels in that area? Next thing you gonna tell us that there are no camels in Australia.
you not looking at the links. to me forensic science is extraordinary so it is easy for them to spot Bible anachronisms and expose them for all to see
anyway see this here: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140210-domesticated-camels-israel-bible-archaeology-science/
you wont clik a link so here too
Quote:Newly published research by two archaeologists at Tel Aviv University in Israel shows that camels weren't domesticated in the eastern Mediterranean until the 10th century B.C.—several centuries after the time they appear in the Bible.
While there are conflicting theories about when the Bible was composed, the recent research suggests it was written much later than the events it describes. This supports earlier studies that have challenged the Bible's veracity as a historic document.
The biblical angle wasn't the focus of the recent research, though, just an after-the-fact observation.
The study, published late last year in Tel Aviv: Journal of the Institute of Archaeology of Tel Aviv University, concerned the introduction of domesticated camels at copper smelting sites in Israel's Aravah Valley.
The dromedary, or one-humped camel that so many tourists picture when they think of the Middle East, is mentioned in the Bible 47 times. Stories about the Jewish patriarchs—Abraham, Joseph, and Jacob—include descriptions of camels as domesticated animals. For example, Genesis 24:11 says, "And he made his camels to kneel down without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water."
Re: On the Bible....... - Watooka - 10-05-2017
And you believe the words of an Israeli? Camels have been around for millions of years. They didn't just show up a few decades ago.
Re: On the Bible....... - mapoui - 10-05-2017
its simple: where Camels were ascribed in the Bible situations..context including time frame..there could not possible have been Camels, fully domesticated and used as they have been for so many thousands of years. that's all there is to it.
it does not matter when Camels evolved, where they evolved, who domesticated them. they were not in the Bible times cited given more credence to the case that the documents ascribed to earlier times were written many many centuries, even millennia later than claimed.
to me the point is that the Bible is a fraud...literally a Jewish book, a lie and manipulation, written by Jews that establishes for them an historical provenance they do not have..that has no basis in any dam thing..pure lies made out of whole air..like they are the chosen of god, and Palestine was given to them in perpetuity
they hate Jesus but they are the one who made him what he is..for the white man to love and believe in...and foolish Black people have bought into the tendentious story 250% out of 100%. such is an impression of our stupidity..we believe even more than it is possible to believe. we are nuts with the religious sh!t
the Jews are masters at manipulation and running games on people, for racketeering and frauds of all sorts. the Bible is one of their biggest games ever..running now for a few centuries..ever since they could get Bibles printed and distributed.
they have managed to get a huge trillion dollar religious industry going, expanding all the time, a ground from which sprouts fraudsters by the mile and minute. a look at the Black american church is instructive in this regard..replete with fraudsters and crooks.
and the Bible lends itself to endless interpretation, and re-interpretation so we can go along forever in arguments and sermons about god ans his nature, his son and the trinity, the holy ghost and this and that nonsense. all it requires is belief, faith which is sprouted by belief and watered by religious organizations..a belief that is generic...general for it overlaps into all fields especially the political where the people are tirelessly required to believe in political sermons at election cycles that always produces for them the most rotten, horrific of leaders and political parties that always, without fail, pause, cease or let, betray the peoples interest
talk about games eh! well that is why I post the goods on the Bible..what I consider legit scholarship that takes us forward in appropriation of the truth which I expect in time will erode the nonsense that is the Bible and consign it to the back shelves of the libraries of the world
Re: On the Bible....... - Watooka - 10-05-2017
If it was mentioned that many times in the Bible, then those references would have been made by more than one person. That means it must have been true that camels were being used in those days. The Egyptians used camels, as depicted on the tombs of Pharaohs.
The story goes that camels did not come to Israel until 900BC. The problem with that assumption is that Israel was not established until 1947.
Re: On the Bible....... - mapoui - 10-05-2017
Quote:That means it must have been true that camels were being used in those days. The Egyptians used camels, as depicted on the tombs of Pharaohs.
not necessarily! and there need be no argument here. the story is being established as we speak. we will know for certain soon enuff..if it is not already certainly known about Camels in Jerusalem in Bible times.
any number of later scribes could have been wrong about Camels in Jerusalem in the time they charted. you shud do some work on the Bible man..some research. where and from whom, or who, did the concept of a bible come from in the first place ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
when do we have the earliest Bible ::confused:: here is Yahoos best ansah
Quote: Best Answer: The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian.
then we have this:
Quote:http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bi...
1,400 BC: The first written Word of God: The Ten Commandments delivered to Moses.
500 BC: Completion of All Original Hebrew Manuscripts which make up The 39 Books of the Old Testament.
200 BC: Completion of the Septuagint Greek Manuscripts which contain The 39 Old Testament Books AND 14 Apocrypha Books.
1st Century AD: Completion of All Original Greek Manuscripts which make up The 27 Books of the New Testament.
315 AD: Athenasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, identifies the 27 books of the New Testament which are today recognized as the canon of scripture.
382 AD: Jerome's Latin Vulgate Manuscripts Produced which contain All 80 Books (39 Old Test. + 14 Apocrypha + 27 New Test).
500 AD: Scriptures have been Translated into Over 500 Languages.
600 AD: LATIN was the Only Language Allowed for Scripture.
995 AD: Anglo-Saxon (Early Roots of English Language) Translations of The New Testament Produced.
1384 AD: Wycliffe is the First Person to Produce a (Hand-Written) manuscript Copy of the Complete Bible; All 80 Books.
so who put it together cnad called it The Bible
Re: On the Bible....... - Watooka - 10-06-2017
Do you know why it is called a Bible? Because it is a collection of scriptures bound together over time. There are more than one version of the Bible. The English Anglican church has a rewritten version that was done so that Henry VIII could remarry. But the scriptures are far older than that. Each scripture was written at different times in history. So if several mention camels, then there were camels.
Re: On the Bible....... - mapoui - 10-06-2017
Quote:But the scriptures are far older than that. Each scripture was written at different times in history. So if several mention camels, then there were camels.
watooka I don't know what to do with you!
yu ever heard of the dead sea scroolls?
FAKE!
do yu know of the City of David and the Palace of Solomon
FAKE
Do you know of Jesus, Noah, Moses, Jewish Slavery in Egypt, Manetho the ancient Ptolemaic historian who wrote the history of Egypt, the Persians, Sumer, the great prophets of Antiquity.....
Fake, fake, fake and more fake.
do you know that historically, archeologically, in forensic science applied to history THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE AT ALL OF JEWISH HISTORY AS CLAIMED IN THE BIBLE...NOT ONE, NOT A PARTICLE ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
BUT DO YOU KNOW THERE IS LOTS OF EVIDENCE OF EGYPTIAN BLACK HISTORY, THE BLACK AFRICAN HISTORY OF THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA ITSELF...AND OF ALL OF THE ENTIRE WORLD ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
DO YOU REALIZE THAT EUROPE IN IT'S RISE HAS SO FALSIFIED THE HISTORY OF THE THE HUMAN SPECIES IN THE WORLD TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT WE DON'T KNOW NOW WHAT THE HELL IS TRUE FROM WHAT ISNT...THAT THERE IS GREAT EUROPEAN CREATED DIFFICULTY PUTTING OUR HUMAN HISTORY, OUR COLLECTIVE STORY BACK TOGETHER AGAIN...
AND DO YOU KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE CALLED JEWS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT THE CENTRE OF THIS FALSIFICATION, AS ACTIVE CREATORS OF THE FALSIFICATION AND THE GREAT BENEFICIARIES OF THE LIES TOLD... AND THAT THEIR STORY IS THE MOST FALSE OF ALL STORIES, THAT THEY WERE THE CENTRE OF NOTHING GREAT HISTORICALLY AS CLAIMED BY THEM, SAVE MONEY, SHYLOCKING.... ALL THE WAY THROUGH FROM THE TIME THEY KNEW THEMSELVES AS A PEOPLE..AND THAT WHAT THEY DO CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE: LIKE CONTROL THE MONEY, MEDIA AND AUTHORITY FROM BEHIND THE SCENES, DRIVING ALL THE HARM IN THE WORLD..WAR, ENSLAVEMENT HERE AND THERE, LYING PROPAGANDA AND MIS-EDUCATION OF THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD... ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
man! go get the story of the first European printing press and how immediately it came under their control through Shylocking and what they did with it ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::
those Bible documents..who can tell without full examination their veracity ::confused::
all that have been checked out have revealed falsehoods of one sort or another..either totally false modern creations and aged artificially to try convince people of their antiquity and veracity. or much later/earlier anyway than what is claimed in the Bible, placed anachronistically, and all to benefit the Jewish people, placed them as favorites in the sight of god, the best people god made
don't you know that man!! ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: why the hell not..its there for all to see.
the Bible is a friggin' fake from start to finish, utter fraud that people take seriously. and so is the Torah and Talmud, the most recent of the so-called Holy Books. and so is Islam and the Prophet, Koran as well..and Buddhism too..all fake.
when god created the first people he did not give them religion. God made no religion..god made humanity, man and woman and gave them their spirit that connects them up to the spirit of the universe. I believe the Pineal gland is the biological muscle/architecture by which human spirituality is connected up universally
here is is something about the Pineal Gland
https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-the-pineal-gland/
that is what god made and the job it does. then man made religions that gave us sectarian doctrines buttressed by books of laws and interpretations that are all lies to facilitate one exploitation of humanity or another...to justify war and plunder and human crimes against itself..what we call crimes against humanity
god is not a sectarian..and god does not need books. he made the Pineal and gave it to all humanity. why in the hell wud god make anything else but something like the Pineal for all humanity to be in touch with god itself and all it made::confused::
instead of exploration of our universal interconnections we accumulate property, kill each other for material creations that we cant walk with when we leave, and lie to ourselves all the time. we are supposed to make a life here for all while we develop the human potential in the universe..an on-going developing life that takes care of ourselves materially while we develop humanity fully. the material development is part of the human development overall
man wake up and see truth willya. deal with yourself first..touch your hand and see what it is, what it is made of, how it functions and go from there. you have your hand and it is all the evidence you need to begin to work with. that's right! answer the questions of your body and what t means in all ways you know of, and more as you go. realize that it is the same for others. come to know language and how it was developed, simultaneously with thought, solving the problem of subsistence, how technology came and exploitation and mental development consistent with technology.
as you see the dynamic way things work you will toss the insane dual materialism engendered by europe that has everybody nuts. you will see european lies clear by your own development and change.
its all nonsense man. human life has been horrifically limited, focused on utter crap like war and genocide, holocausts and slavery, accumulations of money so that we celebrate the fortunes of rich men, who killed and enslaved great quantities of humans, or instituted programs of plunder and social/cultural destruction to accumulate that fortune, that we celebrate and wish to emulate....
that is not what the real god intended when it made humanity. it made no religion..did not need to. it made humanity because humanity's development is also a part of god's development. we are here to assist god in its own evolution which is why we were evolved. we have freedom in gods domain to live and developing our life,in accordance with universal need... which we would accomplish, would be a positive life if we remained in tune with nature. instead of that we have allowed a small group of usurpers of the real god, a rump people, to enslave us, to take away the real god and replace it with a devil in disguise
man piss on the bible eh..on all holy books. they are the creation of men..not of women although we have had some serious female followers of the nonsense along the way..and not of god. the god made no books, gave us no doctrine. none necessary if the natural world is what we live in. there-in the natural world is contained all the dictates we need to come to know in order to live and go forward.
in the end it is always very simple, all that we think is so complex. and if it is not simple it is a fraud.
Re: On the Bible....... - Captain - 10-06-2017
fake