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Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016



Quote:Leave the post , Mapster.

IT flows with the headline , perfectly !

oh ok!  so long as no one pissed off.  I  am freaked out today.  not one of my strongest days :Sick:


Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016

white invasion of a black population...that led originally to caste social division. then with the "creation of the white race" and modern racism, the victor of the white ethnic group over the darker races and its theoretical codification, Indians bought into it whole..leaving India with its massive caste/class/skin colour/wannabe problem that is huge, deep, comprehensive and determinative of the nature of Indian culture currently..the way it functions/the way it goes.

that is what I see.  but it is not india alone.  if one follows that white invasion it is all across the Stans and Iran, Turkey..making those nations what they are today from an ethnic point of view and more.  that white invasion began to peter out by mid subcontinental India leaving the island of Ceylon/Sri Lanka peopled by jet black African Dravidians.

the Stans region were inhabited by original black people from Africa.  India colonized, rather settled first by black people and invaded by whites were subsequently over run by brown to near white  muslims..also product of white invasion.. then white English up to 1947.

perhaps 69 years are too few to expect deep resolution of problems built up over a few thousand years.  yet societies I presume can move much faster these days  than back in the past.  the economic transformations China achieved over a few decades is astonishing..that took the west centuries to achieve even with the 'free'  labour of slavery.

if Sudama and dem speak like this..with a greater breadth or historical sweep, with greater racial/historical honesty then we may find greater value in what they say, be able to use what they have observed for social action of a positive nature





Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - ketchim - 03-08-2016

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=103174.msg683129#msg683129 date=1457479548]
anyhow I am going to take down my posts here. I suspect I have made some people vex
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You duplicated them  :-[


Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016

fix now.  I managed to find it back after pulling it


Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - ketchim - 03-08-2016

one point of note :

Hinduism is older than the White civilisation :

So is the Caste system inherent in it !

If anything it teach the white man how to have people subservient Wink



Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016

[quote author=ketchim link=topic=103174.msg683139#msg683139 date=1457480960]
one point of note :

Hinduism is older than the White civilisation :

So is the Caste system inherent in it !

If anything it teach the white man how to have people subservient Wink

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noted!  I am going back to my historical notes to bring myself up to speed


Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016

oh my bad.  I have lost coherency.  I am getting old. man must revise every now and then to keep things straight.

immediately as I restart t is all coming back now.  it also gives me the opportunity to cuff giggles a few more times.  look at this article here:

http://history-of-hinduism.blogspot.ca/2010/07/hinduism-and-ancient-egyptian-religion.html

Quote:Considering the enormous geographical distance between India and Egypt, ancient Egyptian religion and modern Hinduism have a surprising number of similarities in concepts and practices. This is not to say that other polytheistic religions do not have similarities with each other or with ancient Egypt but not in what appears to be such abundance as between ancient Egyptian and Hinduism. A number of religions do have similarities with Hinduism, such as Buddhism (which was born from Hinduism), and some African belief systems, but as Hinduism is one of the six main world religions the comparisons between this vibrant religion and a long-extinct ancient religion are interesting.

Aspects of Hinduism can be traced to the Indus Valley Civilisation (approximately 2500 BC), when it was at a cultural high point, through the archaeological record, although this religion is not recognisable as the form practised by Hindus today. The Indus Valley Civilisation and their religion is contemporary with the Egyptian Old Kingdom and the religion of the ancient Egyptians was in a fully developed form. How the ancient Egyptian religion developed is unknown as no written records of these developmental stages. Hieroglyphs were not introduced until approximately 3100 BC on the Narmer Palette whereas the Indus Valley civilisation has written texts dating to prior 2500 BC, from the Mohenjo-Daro region. Unfortunately this language has not yet been deciphered (Brockington 1996, 24) and therefore the contents (religious or otherwise) are unknown to us.

However, it is likely that some elements of the Indus Valley religion may have become absorbed into that of the invading Aryans (2500-1500 BC) and therefore into modern Hinduism. The Aryan invasion of India instigated a decline in the Indus Valley Civilisation, and a loss or absorption of the traditional religion into that of the Aryans. The Aryan race recorded their beliefs in Sanskrit, which has been deciphered and has produced a number of religious texts; which are still important to modern Hindus. The earliest known Hindu texts are the Vedas written in approximately 1500-1000 BC (Brockington 1996, 7), which are primarily concerned with the elemental gods (e.g. fire, sun, wind and storms) and the ritual of sacrifice and cosmic balance.

The earliest written religious texts in Egypt, are the Pyramid Texts from the pyramid of Unas (2375- 2345 BC) approximately 1000 years earlier than the Hindu Vedas. Both the Vedas and the ancient Egyptian religion were passed down orally for generations but only remained in a fixed form once they were recorded. However the Vedas, although passed down for centuries through oral tradition, were considered too sacred to permanently record (Brockington 1996, 8) indicating the traditions may have existed for as long as the Egyptian beliefs if not longer before being recorded. Like the Vedas, and indeed many early belief systems the gods of the Pyramid Texts are elemental as the sun (Re) is the primary deity of these texts, although there are also many references to the stars, the river and the environmental elements involved in the creation stories, where deities of the sky, earth, air and moisture are the first created by the sun god (Hart 1990, 10-8).

However most religions include doctrine to explain the local environment and this alone cannot form a basis of comparison between two religions, other than on a very superficial basis. Thorough careful examination of the creation stories and other myths further comparisons can be made to support similarities between the two religions.



Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016

Quote:It is an open question whether this extended period of foreign domination has subtly affected the psyche of the Indian people and instilled in them a state of psychological subservience and deference.

it was good to phrase that statement the way he did..that it is an open question. it would be subservience and deference to whom ::confused::



Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - mapoui - 03-08-2016



Indian race problems date back to white invasion..not caste/class problem


Re: India at 69 a failed destiny! - ketchim - 03-08-2016

[quote author=mapoui link=topic=103174.msg683144#msg683144 date=1457482045]

Indian race problems date back to white invasion..not caste/class problem
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Caste is racist (the untouchables/ dalits are black skin)  :-[