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Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - chairman - 09-19-2014
isnt spuds the admin over there
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Rev Al - 09-19-2014
[quote author=Snoopster link=topic=92813.msg589262#msg589262 date=1411161105]
SpudzMcCrackhead can't pull the wool over your eyes Bro. 8)
The truth is, he actually thinks Shiv is great. But his job on that site is to raise ants nest and stir shyte up. And he does it pretty well.
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* Spuds argues with EMOTION.
* But the NUMBERS expose him as a BLOWHARD.
* Ask him how can Sobers be DOMINANT when he only scored 46 runs from every 100 balls he faced at Home ?
* And point out Shiv's 42SR at Home.
Rev
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Snoopster - 09-19-2014
[quote author=The Chairman link=topic=92813.msg589264#msg589264 date=1411161236]
isnt spuds the admin over there
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LOL - only when his handle is "stolen". ::LOL::
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Rev Al - 09-19-2014
THIS WAS SpudsmcKenzie over at CC:
Quote:[size=10pt]They(Chanderpaul supporters) trying to convince people who have seen this guy(Chanderpaul) push and prod most of his career...they wanna tell us that great batsmen bat like that...lmmfao.
Oh well.......................they never can.
@RMc@ [/size]
CHECK THIS FOLKS:
Quote:RE: CHANDERPAUL
* [size=12pt]Shiv has hit 1263 4s and 36 6s in his career ---that's a total of 5268 runs.
* Shiv's overall runs scored is 11,684
* Therefore Shiv scored 45.1% of his runs in boundaries[/size]].
NOW LETS CHECK SOBERS:
Quote:RE: SOBERS
[size=12pt]* Sobers hit 723 4s and 32 6s in his test career---that's a total of 3084 runs
* Sobers scored 8032 runs in tests.
* [color=red]Therefore Sobers scored 38.4% of his runs in boundaries.[/size]
COMPARISON:
* [color=blue][size=12pt]Shiv has scored 45.1% of his runs in boundaries; Sobers scored 38.4% of his runs in boundaries[/size].
* So if Shiv pushed and prodded most of his career, how come he has a greater percentage of runs scored in boundaries than the great Sobers ? ;D
Rev
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Mail - 09-20-2014
Rev,
What really is the point of this thread?
Numbers are not always absolute as variables such as the era, and therefore playing conditions, are not factored in, so you cannot compare like with like.
If one took the numbers absolutely, you would, be saying Jacobs, Logie and Hinds, amongst others, are far more dominant at home than Sir Garry!
A more relevant perspective might be to limit the timeperiod to a certain sample.
I would find it difficult and perhaps crass, to even compare Sir Gary to Vivian and Lara, never mind anyone else.
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - TRINIDADDY - 09-20-2014
[size=14pt]This whole thread is wrong, and shows why numbers without context are meaningless.
Sobers strike rate at home was not 46. The 46 figure is derived from only five test matches, four of which took place in the year Sobers retired, when he was old, washed up, and in which he was failing every game.
The fifth home game, in which his strike rate is available, took place when he was in his prime. He got a century in the second innings with a strike rate of 80.
Sobers accelerated when he was in, and most biographers estimate his career strike rate as being in the mid 50s, which was fast for the era.
For the sensitive Guyanese fans out there, in terms of home games, it was usually Kanhai, batting up the order, regularly out-performing Sobers.
And of course Chanders' strike rate must not be taken out of context either; he gets to play crap teams and bowlers now, and his strike rate goes down to the 30s when big guns like McGrath and Warne are present. Not that this matters, when everyone is failing around him.
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Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Mail - 09-20-2014
Using 1994 as a starting point to be consistent for an era, the following might be more appropriate
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmax1=20000;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;spanmin1=17+Mar+1994;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=allround
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - Rev Al - 09-20-2014
[quote author=TRINIDADDY link=topic=92813.msg589297#msg589297 date=1411222571]
[size=14pt]This whole thread is wrong, and shows why numbers without context are meaningless.
[size=12pt]Sobers strike rate at home was not 46. The 46 figure is derived from only five test matches, four of which took place in the year Sobers retired, when he was old, washed up, and in which he was failing every game.[/size]
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[size=24pt]* POPPYCOCK![/size]
* Click on the link and you will see the @Home STRIKE RATES of all WI batsmen who have scored a minimum of 1000 runs at Home.
* SOBERS 46SR; SHIV 42SR
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmax1=20000;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;team=4;template=results;type=batting
Rev
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - TRINIDADDY - 09-20-2014
It's not poppycock. That's not Sobers' home SR, nor is that Viv's home SR. That Sobers SR is an incomplete SR derived from 5 games.
If you read Sobers' biographies, even the most scholarly ones have to estimate his SR.
Re: GARFIELD SOBERS: How DOMINANT Was He @ HOME - ketchim - 09-20-2014
hahahahahaha !!
Guess that 50 Average to define statistical " GREATS" is meaningless !
Strike Rate is meaningless : it should be Estimated ....hahahaha